Let‘s speculate about 6.0

[questionaire]

Is music currently made by computer nerds? Going wild on scripts and C++ wtf crazy times man.....

Bitwig go for the musician is all i beg

[perpetual3]

Is music currently made by computer nerds? Going wild on scripts and C++ wtf crazy times man.....

Bitwig go for the musician is all i beg

Yeah. All the coding scripting talk is not what I’m about when I make music.

[ghettosynth]

Is music currently made by computer nerds? Going wild on scripts and C++ wtf crazy times man.....

Bitwig go for the musician is all i beg

Yep, and like it or not, that's really Bitwig's market. Well, not necessarily C++ programmers, but modular nerds. Consider that they were competing with Ableton and you know that they're primarily targeting electronic music producers. Add to that the fact that the Grid is at an abstraction level between MFL and VCV rack and you have a perfect storm of attraction for people who think in those terms. They are not music tech product creators, per se, rather, they are people who engage in a deeper abstraction of music in technical terms than typical musicians.

[questionaire]

Is music currently made by computer nerds? Going wild on scripts and C++ wtf crazy times man.....

Bitwig go for the musician is all i beg

Yep, and like it or not, that's really Bitwig's market. Well, not necessarily C++ programmers, but modular nerds. Consider that they were competing with Ableton and you know that they're primarily targeting electronic music producers. Add to that the fact that the Grid is at an abstraction level between MFL and VCV rack and you have a perfect storm of attraction for people who think in those terms. They are not music tech product creators, per se, rather, they are people who engage in a deeper abstraction of music in technical terms than typical musicians.

At this stage i still like Bitwig and i like to fiddle with the grids modular approach, but thats it fiddling but do not use it at its core.

See what Bitwig comes up with version 6, if thats to continue on the modular approach then i will stop contributing them, but will use it at its current stage. Bitwig on Linux is so stable and fast it is incredible no other DAW can beat them at this moment for me there is no other alternative.

[fwsuperhero]

How often would you want the exact same automation curve on different parameters?

More often than you'd think. (At least as a starting point).

Why automate one parameter when you try 7 or 8.

Let's see what Bitwig has implemented.

The curve I can imagine duplicating in multiple places is a simple ramp up or ramp down.

Sorry I may have missed something here but I can't imagine better implementation than Bitwig for that. Just automate a global macro then link other macros to this macro. You can even use curves as a transfer table if you want to change a bit how slave macros react to the master macro. Pretty great implem to me.

What do you mean by You can even use curves as a transfer table?
But my problem with this approach is - it is not easy to change it in a way that the same modulation will start at different time for various tracks and you still have to go track by track to route everything while moving automation clip in arranger is faster.

I agree. One way to do shouldn't invalidate the other way. Because in the method I said, you need to plan ahead so it is slightly different workflow.

What I mean as a transfer table is that if you use a curves modulator and you set the speed to 0. Then you make the input modulation change the phase of the curves. You have a transfer curve.
If your curve is a perfect 45° line, then your output modulation will be like your input modulation. But you can also change the 45° line to a curve, or steps.
For example you can have your output modulation grow faster at the beginning and slower at the end. Or stop at the middle, and so on and so forth.

Nice, I will need to try that.
I would like to note one more thing—there are at least two types of producers. Those who have a good imagination and can plan ahead, and those (like me) who cannot imagine music at all and compose/experiment until they like what they hear. The workflow offered by FL STUDIO is, in my opinion, ideal for the second group, and I would like to see it in Bitwig, which is very open to experimentation, but not in all aspects (arrangerwise / midiwise).

[questionaire]

More often than you'd think. (At least as a starting point).

Why automate one parameter when you try 7 or 8.

Let's see what Bitwig has implemented.

The curve I can imagine duplicating in multiple places is a simple ramp up or ramp down.

Sorry I may have missed something here but I can't imagine better implementation than Bitwig for that. Just automate a global macro then link other macros to this macro. You can even use curves as a transfer table if you want to change a bit how slave macros react to the master macro. Pretty great implem to me.

What do you mean by You can even use curves as a transfer table?
But my problem with this approach is - it is not easy to change it in a way that the same modulation will start at different time for various tracks and you still have to go track by track to route everything while moving automation clip in arranger is faster.

I agree. One way to do shouldn't invalidate the other way. Because in the method I said, you need to plan ahead so it is slightly different workflow.

What I mean as a transfer table is that if you use a curves modulator and you set the speed to 0. Then you make the input modulation change the phase of the curves. You have a transfer curve.
If your curve is a perfect 45° line, then your output modulation will be like your input modulation. But you can also change the 45° line to a curve, or steps.
For example you can have your output modulation grow faster at the beginning and slower at the end. Or stop at the middle, and so on and so forth.

Nice, I will need to try that.
I would like to note one more thing—there are at least two types of producers. Those who have a good imagination and can plan ahead, and those (like me) who cannot imagine music at all and compose/experiment until they like what they hear. The workflow offered by FL STUDIO is, in my opinion, ideal for the second group, and I would like to see it in Bitwig, which is very open to experimentation, but not in all aspects (arrangerwise / midiwise).

You pretty well described 2 producer types! I fall in the same category as you!

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Is music currently made by computer nerds? Going wild on scripts and C++ wtf crazy times man.....

Bitwig go for the musician is all i beg

Real musicians play guitars not daws...

[koalaboy]

Is music currently made by computer nerds? Going wild on scripts and C++ wtf crazy times man.....

Bitwig go for the musician is all i beg

Real musicians play guitars not daws...

Deadmau5 in tears right now, wiping them away with the proceeds of his musical career.

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[stamp]

Is music currently made by computer nerds? Going wild on scripts and C++ wtf crazy times man.....

Bitwig go for the musician is all i beg

Real musicians play guitars not daws...

Deadmau5 in tears right now, wiping them away with the proceeds of his musical career.

[JHernandez]

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This is really confusing to me because I do all these things.

[questionaire]

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the last one is so funny ending up with gear all over the place

[questionaire]

Is music currently made by computer nerds? Going wild on scripts and C++ wtf crazy times man.....

Bitwig go for the musician is all i beg

Real musicians play guitars not daws...

yeah you are right i will buy a guitar

[BobDog]

Is music currently made by computer nerds? Going wild on scripts and C++ wtf crazy times man.....

Bitwig go for the musician is all i beg

Total tosh.

Is music currently made by computer nerds? Going wild on scripts and C++ wtf crazy times man.....

Bitwig go for the musician is all i beg

Yeah. All the coding scripting talk is not what I’m about when I make music.

Total tosh

Is music currently made by computer nerds? Going wild on scripts and C++ wtf crazy times man.....

Bitwig go for the musician is all i beg

Yep, and like it or not, that's really Bitwig's market. Well, not necessarily C++ programmers, but modular nerds. Consider that they were competing with Ableton and you know that they're primarily targeting electronic music producers. Add to that the fact that the Grid is at an abstraction level between MFL and VCV rack and you have a perfect storm of attraction for people who think in those terms. They are not music tech product creators, per se, rather, they are people who engage in a deeper abstraction of music in technical terms than typical musicians.

Total tosh.