Bitwig 6

[MegaPixel]

For those who have extensively used it, how stable is the beta? I've got a renewal code ready to use and I'm wondering if I should wait to use it. Thanks

Same, but I find that with bitwig v?.0.0 (in this case v6.0.0) there will be quite a few updates in the first 3 months till all the bugs stop flooding in and are somewhat fixed. This is usually the case for most software just released or a major version release.

I'm waiting for v6.1 till I use my code, that way I hopefully will get to see version 7.0.x or if lucky 7.1.x

However... The only thing I was needing from Bitwig was a better piano roll and a damn UI clean up, make lines, blocks, repeaters etc easy to see. Looks like other work has made them adjust the UI a bit and could help my issue, but if it hasn't, I will wait till 7.x.

Also if they have screwed up the scenes midi and sample clips so that it's now cluttered with automation clips everywhere and you can't hide them. I will be staying on v5 forever, as I use it a hell of a lot for re-structuring my song sequences and trying out different combinations, dragging and dropping from the scenes to the main timeline, I can easily spend hours doing this and I love it.

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Also if they have screwed up the scenes midi and sample clips so that it's now cluttered with automation clips everywhere and you can't hide them. I will be staying on v5 forever

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[MegaPixel]

Also if they have screwed up the scenes midi and sample clips so that it's now cluttered with automation clips everywhere and you can't hide them. I will be staying on v5 forever

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Well that's good news

[BobDog]

For those who have extensively used it, how stable is the beta? I've got a renewal code ready to use and I'm wondering if I should wait to use it. Thanks

I have not extensively used it, but I have used a renewal on a beta (I can't remember which one). It is not something I would do again, you end up loosing months of your update period on something that is being actively developed, changing, causing issues etc because it is a beta.

For me I would wait until the actual release, or as @MegaPixel says, maybe 6.1.

[gulugulufish]

Bitwig 6 (latest beta) automation recording resolution (node reduction) vs Ableton, both using Waves Vocal Rider "Write Automation" on same audio with same settings: see attached.

I'm extremely disappointed. For me, this is Bitwig's biggest drawback, because fine-grained, expressive, manual automation with hardware controllers is a major part of my workflow, and I'd like to be able to edit that automation afterwards instead of only relying on live recorded audio.

What specifically are you disappointed about? It's unclear from your post because it looks like bitwig did a better job at simplifying the recording. And of course you can edit it afterward in bitwig, doesn't less points make that easier in general?

Are you saying you prefer more points? Or that you prefer it to be a manual action? Or that you would like it to be a threshold or option or something?

Personally I'd definitely like there to be more preferences about it including turning off the smoothing and making it manual.

[Ou_Tis]

Bitwig 6 (latest beta) automation recording resolution (node reduction) vs Ableton, both using Waves Vocal Rider "Write Automation" on same audio with same settings: see attached.

I'm extremely disappointed. For me, this is Bitwig's biggest drawback, because fine-grained, expressive, manual automation with hardware controllers is a major part of my workflow, and I'd like to be able to edit that automation afterwards instead of only relying on live recorded audio.

What specifically are you disappointed about? It's unclear from your post because it looks like bitwig did a better job at simplifying the recording. And of course you can edit it afterward in bitwig, doesn't less points make that easier in general?

Are you saying you prefer more points? Or that you prefer it to be a manual action? Or that you would like it to be a threshold or option or something?

Personally I'd definitely like there to be more preferences about it including turning off the smoothing and making it manual.

It should be clear that I'm disappointed with Bitwig relative to Ableton because Bitwig excessively simplifies the automation by reducing it to a much smaller number of node points, losing the fine-grained detail that I indicated is extremely important to me. There's no option not to simplify it. The information just gets lost. For recording fine-grained automation curves, it's terrible.

[pdxindy]

I have to say, having a lot of alias clips in a big project, all those paper clips look ridiculous. A better icon for alias clips is needed IMO... a square or a dot would be better than that paper clip.

Someone suggested a small "=" and that sounds fine to me.

[pdxindy]

For those who have extensively used it, how stable is the beta? I've got a renewal code ready to use and I'm wondering if I should wait to use it. Thanks

It's stable enough to enjoy using and exploring the new features... not stable enough that I would work on an important project during the early betas.

My view is that I would rather spend the time during the beta period learning all the new stuff so that by the last few betas and the official release, I am already up to speed.

[Dionysos]

Bitwig 6 (latest beta) automation recording resolution (node reduction) vs Ableton, both using Waves Vocal Rider "Write Automation" on same audio with same settings: see attached.

I'm extremely disappointed. For me, this is Bitwig's biggest drawback, because fine-grained, expressive, manual automation with hardware controllers is a major part of my workflow, and I'd like to be able to edit that automation afterwards instead of only relying on live recorded audio.

Send it to beta@ or support@bitwig.com, since they'll be fixing automation issues anyway chances aren't bad that they'll look into it during the beta cycle or early patch releases.

[_leras]

Bitwig 6 (latest beta) automation recording resolution (node reduction) vs Ableton, both using Waves Vocal Rider "Write Automation" on same audio with same settings: see attached.

I'm extremely disappointed. For me, this is Bitwig's biggest drawback, because fine-grained, expressive, manual automation with hardware controllers is a major part of my workflow, and I'd like to be able to edit that automation afterwards instead of only relying on live recorded audio.

That example seems quite fine, you're doing pretty small changes.

An example of more detailed spiky automation would show more.

It does seem it thins out the automation quite a lot, but I think their algorithm is pretty good.

I do think they should maybe leave a few more points in though, just for optics. But I don't recall playing and recording automation and it not sounding right when playing it back.

[MegaPixel]

Bitwig 6 (latest beta) automation recording resolution (node reduction) vs Ableton, both using Waves Vocal Rider "Write Automation" on same audio with same settings: see attached.

I'm extremely disappointed. For me, this is Bitwig's biggest drawback, because fine-grained, expressive, manual automation with hardware controllers is a major part of my workflow, and I'd like to be able to edit that automation afterwards instead of only relying on live recorded audio.

That example seems quite fine, you're doing pretty small changes.

An example of more detailed spiky automation would show more.

It does seem it thins out the automation quite a lot, but I think their algorithm is pretty good.

I do think they should maybe leave a few more points in though, just for optics. But I don't recall playing and recording automation and it not sounding right when playing it back.

Sounds like they need to add the following options (like for quantizaion):
- curve detection threshold
- curve resolution (to maybe multiply the point plot time to work on higher resolutions and then just scale it back down)

Probably a few others, could help people configure it to how they want it to work.

or to have the option to toggle between points and curves on record and clip arm record (maybe at an automation lane level so you can mix points and curves (curves for vol and points for something else)

[stamp]

I don't have the beta but after watching al the videos I think I would like an option to switch to the old bright background. I aldo don't like the coloring of the arranger background of tracks inside groups. Looks bad imo.
I agree on the paperclips. They look totally out of place. The paperclip idea is cool but the execution is just meh. It would look better with a more minimal look, just a black line instead of the white with black outline and instead of rounded something more square like this
https://www.galaxus.it/it/s12/product/q ... 9806215880

[stamp]

Also the new track header with that fatter color stripe... Everything about the track headers just looks bad imo... and the new top buttons. And also the fact that the stripe where the button to access the dashboard is is now the same color of the stripe where the buttons and the transport are... mmmh
Well... the graphical changes in general feel just redundant in general and look quite bad imo.
All the new funcionality is really really cool.

[MegaPixel]

I don't have the beta but after watching al the videos I think I would like an option to switch to the old bright background. I aldo don't like the coloring of the arranger background of tracks inside groups. Looks bad imo.
I agree on the paperclips. They look totally out of place. The paperclip idea is cool but the execution is just meh. It would look better with a more minimal look, just a black line instead of the white with black outline and instead of rounded something more square like this
https://www.galaxus.it/it/s12/product/q ... 9806215880

This is how synv2 does it.

Synv2linkedgroups.png

[stamp]

I don't have the beta but after watching al the videos I think I would like an option to switch to the old bright background. I aldo don't like the coloring of the arranger background of tracks inside groups. Looks bad imo.
I agree on the paperclips. They look totally out of place. The paperclip idea is cool but the execution is just meh. It would look better with a more minimal look, just a black line instead of the white with black outline and instead of rounded something more square like this
https://www.galaxus.it/it/s12/product/q ... 9806215880

This is how synv2 does it.

Synv2linkedgroups.png

Nice