What more features are you hoping for?

[Montana]

""yeah, why would you have bought Tracktion if you didn't like clips? That'd be like buying Doom, but wishing it was a platform game. ""



It's pretty simple the way I see it. When I want to highlight a section of audio, I want to do it myself, with one swift accurate sweep and click of the mouse. I dont want the program to do it for me. I dont want to press "/" . That takes you out of the worklfow. Not only that but the red outline of the clip seems to block the fine points when trying to link two clips together. It just seems kind of messy to me. I would prefer the Audition style of editing where most things are done with the mouse, including highlighting, looping the highlight, cutting, etc all in two simple clicks. There is no need to look around anywhere but at the wav file you are trying to edit. A right click on the selected part of the wav would reveal a host of options.

I just think it would work better in Tracktions "workflow" style. I prefer not to have artifical borders around the wav's. It's like building a artificial wall around my sound.It makes everything feel disconnected.

[AD80]

- The project folder represents your creative process and the pool of ideas from which you put your edit together. Some elements you use, some you don't.. but if you considered it.. it's there.

I agree. I think the file management and project tap definitely need some improvents, but overall I think it makes things much faster for me. Having all my files there ready to be dragged to other projects, or deleted, etc, is a lot faster to me than having to search my HD for files.

[AD80]

I just think it would work better in Tracktions "workflow" style. I prefer not to have artifical borders around the wav's. It's like building a artificial wall around my sound.It makes everything feel disconnected.

I couldnt dissagree more. I think Audition style editing has no place in Tracktion at all. Those borders that you you're talking about add a lot of functionality. You can slide the audio inside the borders left or right etc. So it actually gives you more freedom than having no borders there. Its just a different way of working. I see it as a major advantage compared to other DAW's.

[valley]

yup...

it's a choice thing, for sure, but my poitn is why choose tracktion if you don't like the way it works?

I liek clips cos it makes working with midi and audio fundamentally similar, which means I only have one set of shortcuts to learn.

[Kiwiboyus]

Modulr, what specifically do you like about export links being kept? I personally don't want to have it laying around, and here's why. Okay in adobe audition you have a folder on the left with everything thats in the session (project). Simple and plain. When you load the session, the files are there. No need to play around with links or keeping links or deleting files by mistake. You simply press del to take it out of your project. How simple and efficient that is. Otherwise, say I had a few drum hits in the native sampler (of course i dont anymore) and then decided to go drum synth vsti. So i take out all of that, and then the links are left in my project folder. So I have to go one by one, and slowly erase it, but ensuring that i only erase the link to it. Don't you think that's an excessive trait? I personally do. I wish it were simpler and more efficient to just simply say "use this file" or dont use it. I don't get why it would keep file links like that, its really annyoing to me, if I'm missing out on something profound here, set me straight.

RonC

I look at it like a back up solution. If you used something that at one point you thought was worthwhile, it's link remains in the projects folder. All of the sources you considered are in your projects folder. You don't have to go digging for the files again should you change your mind. It's all right there.. and when it's time to finalize the project, you simply export your edit. This will give you all the nice and tidy elements within your project.

The way I look at is...

- The project folder represents your creative process and the pool of ideas from which you put your edit together. Some elements you use, some you don't.. but if you considered it.. it's there.

- The edit itself represents the results of your ideas. It contains the creation itself.

Keeping links allows you to go back to previous ideas without having to look for them on your drives.

I think I like this method because this is how things work on the Avid. As you bring source material into your project.. you never really delete it because it's a pool of material that you might use in the creative process. You do keep the material easily avalable to you in your bins. When all is said and done, and it's finalized, you cosolidate the project so it's only using the material needed. Then you are free to delete stuff.

anyway, that's why I like it...

I agree with ModuLR here also. When I worked on Soundscapes I had a window on the right side of the screen that showed all of your "takes" on the hard drives. That way you could drag a copy of anything you had recorded into your current Edit.

[SQ4]

I've come to the stage where more means less.
Must be getting old, Tracktion 1.6 on the other hands is fresh as always.

[headquest]

The clip-based modus operandi is one of the core ingredients of Tracktion and I just can't imagine Jules ever changing it. Beno has made it clear that T2 will not see any changes in this department. And that's one of the reasons why Audition-style editing would be out of place. Personally I think both approaches/programmes are excellent, and have their place in my workflow. I want to keep it that way.

[Montana]

well, I hope the clips grow on me because I love everything else about the program.

[headquest]

I think they probably will the more you use Tracktion. Some of Tracktion's features are different from the way other programmes work and take a bit of getting used to if you come from a different host. But the longer you spend with them the more inspired you realise they are.

Personally I just find clips so easy to work with in terms of arranging a piece. Tracktion can do linear or course, but it's great to drop in a four bar MIDI clip and then copy/paste it and really mess with it. With audio too it can be a real timesaver.

[Montana]

Oh and just to clarify, I never suggested booting the midi clips.

[Mr. Tingle]

I like all the things ModuLR mentioned.

[ModuLR]

I love the clips... I find that Tracktion really lends itself to keeping one hand on the keyboard for shortcuts, and the other on the mouse. I find it really fast. Love the clips!

[headquest]

Oh and just to clarify, I never suggested booting the midi clips.

No, I realise, but I rather like treating MIDI and audio in much the same way.

Software I used in the past treated MIDI as one long piano roll where you had to copy/paste chunks of notes to arrange anything. The clip approach is one of Tracktion appealing distinctives, but I really think the same approach works for audio.

I briefly went over to Live 4, and it was for the same reason. I come from a classical background, and linear thinking is "the thing". But I find these days that there is so much that can be done by taking clips and building them into piece, whether MIDI or audio.

(but for the record, Live 4 was like a beautiful woman you take out to an expensive dinner, and in return she doesn't invite you back for a coffee )

[rpc9943]

First off, I dont understand all this talk about clips. Adobe audition's multitrack mixer works virtually the same way, is that also clip-based? I find it almost exactly the same.

Also, on the case of project management, in my opinion if you want a history of links and clips, maybe that could be for a "history clips" page on the project menu, but NOT on the project menu itself. For me it is horrible because sometimes I have clients who like to give input so I end up making about 8 different mixes for them to choose from, things like that. I of course don't keep every single mix. Do you see what I mean? It's kind of annoying to me... Having to erase every single freaking link in the world for a small rendering for some guy who wants to hear a bit of what I'm doing.

RonC

[ModuLR]

First off, I dont understand all this talk about clips. Adobe audition's multitrack mixer works virtually the same way, is that also clip-based? I find it almost exactly the same.

Also, on the case of project management, in my opinion if you want a history of links and clips, maybe that could be for a "history clips" page on the project menu, but NOT on the project menu itself. For me it is horrible because sometimes I have clients who like to give input so I end up making about 8 different mixes for them to choose from, things like that. I of course don't keep every single mix. Do you see what I mean? It's kind of annoying to me... Having to erase every single freaking link in the world for a small rendering for some guy who wants to hear a bit of what I'm doing.

RonC

There is a button right in front of you on the projects page that says "Find Reference Material." It will display all material related to that specific edit. So if you are creating mutiple edits with different mixes, you can *always* view the material specific to the edit. Also, why do you have to delete the links? There is no need... until you have a finalized project (and even then it's not necessary). If you want a clear view of what material is in the edit, then find reference material works perfectly.