Zebralette 3.0 released (Revision 20399)

[zvenx]

stupid question 101, if these are vector graphics, why can't we drag and drop gui sizes to our preferred size.. or at least in 5% increments... would love to use a 105%.
rsp

[Urs]

stupid question 101, if these are vector graphics, why can't we drag and drop gui sizes to our preferred size.. or at least in 5% increments... would love to use a 105%.
rsp

Most of our UIs are still based on bitmaps.

So we design in a 10 x 10 pixel grid, which allows for integer grid sizes in steps of 10%.

It'll take some time to overcome those constraints.

[zvenx]

Understood.. thanks
rsp

[tasmaniandevil]

Is CLAP per-voice parameter modulation in this version? I notice its not mentioned in the Known Issues or Improvements section.

Yes, CLAP per-voice modulation is included, as well as CLAP note expression support in Bitwig.

[tasmaniandevil]

It's mentioned under known issues:

* No MPE support yet

CLAP per-voice modulation and MPE support are two different things.
Per-voice modulation is supported, while MPE isn't yet.

[Urs]

Resolution and maths order settings are inverted with scroll wheel. Scrolling down up the quality instead of the opposite.
Edit: actually looks like all the menus are inverted, is this intentional?

Check scroll wheel preferences in the preferences section...

Hmm no option for that.

So I had some feedback from the team about this. Menus in general often feel inverted.

Say you have a menu like this:

1. First Item, associated with value 0
2. Second Item, associated with value 1
...
12. Item, associated with value 11

The item with the lowest value or index is on the top, as this is how lists typically work.

However, scrolling down decreases a value, scrolling up increases it.

And there lies the dilemma. When you scroll up, the index or value of the highlighted option increases, but visually the highlight moves downwards and vice versa.

Furthermore, these menus in our software are provided by the operating system. IIRC we have little to no control over how they behave towards mousing.

However, Apple etc. have addressed this by introducing "natural scrolling". I don't like it, but maybe this is why some people prefer it.

[jtsterays]

Resolution and maths order settings are inverted with scroll wheel. Scrolling down up the quality instead of the opposite.
Edit: actually looks like all the menus are inverted, is this intentional?

Check scroll wheel preferences in the preferences section...

Hmm no option for that.

So I had some feedback from the team about this. Menus in general often feel inverted.

Say you have a menu like this:

1. First Item, associated with value 0
2. Second Item, associated with value 1
...
12. Item, associated with value 11

The item with the lowest value or index is on the top, as this is how lists typically work.

However, scrolling down decreases a value, scrolling up increases it.

And there lies the dilemma. When you scroll up, the index or value of the highlighted option increases, but visually the highlight moves downwards and vice versa.

Furthermore, these menus in our software are provided by the operating system. IIRC we have little to no control over how they behave towards mousing.

However, Apple etc. have addressed this by introducing "natural scrolling". I don't like it, but maybe this is why some people prefer it.

Okay, that's mildly annoying. but I'll try get used to it.

[jtsterays]

70% of the patches I made & the factory presets always have DC, I think that option should be on by default.

[NAD]

I'm not sure if this is a bug, but it's at least a bit odd:
Let's say you start with the init preset, switch the oscillator renderer to Additive and the spectral modifier to Harmonic Clusters, then set Spectral Distortion to 50 and leave Cluster Select at 0. Now if you target the Cluster Select with a Constant modifier and turn the modulation depth knob counter-clockwise, it seems the entire first half of the travel of the knob is cycling though a series of some discrete values creating a cool glitchy 8-bit kind of effect. Same if you set Cluster Select at 50 and modify it with a slow triangle LFO at full depth, at one end of the LFO cycle you'll get that glitchy goodness. What I would expect when trying to modulate a parameter beyond it's knob range is that it would just clamp to min or max values, which is what appears to be happening in most cases in Zebrallete.

[NAD]

I'm not seeing the hidden delay parameters in the target selector menu in the mod matrix. Pretty sure it was there in previous versions.

[jtsterays]

Could you guys temporarily disable box selection when I'm holding Ctrl to add points? Right now, it keeps randomly select a bunch of points when I'm adding them.

[exmatproton]

I'm not seeing the hidden delay parameters in the target selector menu in the mod matrix. Pretty sure it was there in previous versions.

Wondering about those too. The delay is wandering too much for my taste.

[tasmaniandevil]

I'm not seeing the hidden delay parameters in the target selector menu in the mod matrix. Pretty sure it was there in previous versions.

Those parameters had been exposed by accident during the beta phase.
For the release candidate, we cleaned up the list of modulation targets, as well as the list of parameters exposed to host automation and MIDI learn.

[tasmaniandevil]

Could you guys temporarily disable box selection when I'm holding Ctrl to add points? Right now, it keeps randomly select a bunch of points when I'm adding them.

This falls under the "Some quirks in the curve editor" entry of the known issues.
It's one of the things we'll deal with in subsequent updates, of course.

[exmatproton]

I'm not seeing the hidden delay parameters in the target selector menu in the mod matrix. Pretty sure it was there in previous versions.

Those parameters had been exposed by accident during the beta phase.
For the release candidate, we cleaned up the list of modulation targets, as well as the list of parameters exposed to host automation and MIDI learn.

so...we won't be able to remove the 'wow' from the delay anymore?