If you had to stick to one DAW, which one would it be?

[jojoB3]

Naw, maybe more because its developer wants it to be.

Right. The best developers in the business... purposefully making their product complicated.

Naw, Voodoo U is correct. You are one of the idiots.

[BBFG#]

Naw, maybe more because its developer wants it to be.

Right. The best developers in the business... purposefully making their product complicated.

Naw, Voodoo U is correct. You are one of the idiots.

I don't find it complicated at all. It's just that the developer decided to show his a** where it can be taken away on a whim.
Don't be their useful idiot-tool.

[BBFG#]

Just a direct reply to a garbage comment.

[machinesworking]

What I don't get is, why is this DAW so polarizing?

It's quite simple really. You have your morons on one end who can't even figure out how the transport works and thus assume the DAW "sucks" and then you have intelligent competent individuals on the other end who understand they have a brain that is to be utilized, thus, they do - which leads them to figure out how to make Reaper work for them.

Honestly, it's because Reaper users are easily the most cult like. I've used it solidly for a year straight, and I quite like it, but Reaper fans cannot admit it's flaws, like the fact that it takes plenty of time to customize the interface to not look like ass. There are certain elements I never did figure out how to fix. I have plenty of friends in the graphic arts and GUI fields and not one of them has anything nice to say about Reapers interface.

Beyond that it's a fantastic DAW, that magically appears in any thread here about any other DAW.

[Monsieur_FyP]

[…] that magically appears in any thread here about any other DAW.

[BONES]

which leads them to figure out how to make Reaper work for them.

Why would you bother when there are other DAWs that don't require that? What's the payoff for that extra effort? I look at screenshots and see something that's ugly, cluttered and doesn't make any immediate sense, whereas it took me exactly no time at all to get stuck into Studio One, it made perfect sense from the first minute I opened the application.

[BBFG#]

Drive through fast food mentality.
Sometimes we need to make it ourselves to make it right and better for our own personal needs.

[machinesworking]

Drive through fast food mentality.
Sometimes we need to make it ourselves to make it right and better for our own personal needs.

Sure but only if it's not closed for a single day of political activism, if that happens lose your mind!

[BONES]

Drive through fast food mentality.
Sometimes we need to make it ourselves to make it right and better for our own personal needs.

You don't see how short-sighted that can be? I used Orion for the better part of 20 years as it suited my workflow perfectly. Moving to a new DAW opened my eyes to new possibilities that have ultimately made my workflow much better than it used to be.

I learned a long time ago, in my profession, that you get a lot more mileage out of adapting to your software than you do from trying to make them bend to your way of working. Getting outside your comfort zone is almost always beneficial to any creative process.

Of course, you still need to find the right product, I bought licenses for both Bitwig and Cubase and used each for several months before I found something that worked for me but it still meant making changes, developing new and improved workflows. Orion is still the best when it comes to quick and easy, it remains the perfect playground for coming up with ideas, but as a project builds and there are more and more floating windows to deal with, it pretty quickly becomes faster and easier to work in Studio Pro.

[BBFG#]

Drive through fast food mentality.
Sometimes we need to make it ourselves to make it right and better for our own personal needs.

Sure but only if it's not closed for a single day of political activism, if that happens lose your mind!

They call that the "Chick-fil-A" problem here.
Any whim not connected to the business directly is a flag of a deeper issue though. And once revealed, should never be ignored.

[VOODOO U]

which leads them to figure out how to make Reaper work for them.

Why would you bother when there are other DAWs that don't require that?

All DAWs require you to figure them out. Yeah sure some simpler than others but so what.

I look at screenshots and see something that's ugly, cluttered and doesn't make any immediate sense,

You see something that doesn't inspire you. Thats fine. To each their own.

It took me exactly no time at all to get stuck into Studio One, it made perfect sense from the first minute I opened the application.

And? So f**king what mate. You're not makig music any better than what A.I. can spew out. Get off the f**king high horse.

[machinesworking]

They call that the "Chick-fil-A" problem here.

Sure, if you think the current US admin is great then it's a minor inconvenience. but! it's still nowhere near the level of say Jeff Amazon being Trumps whore. I don't see tens of millions of dollars funneling into BLM from a small DAW developer.

Any whim not connected to the business directly is a flag of a deeper issue though. And once revealed, should never be ignored.

Only if you think of a business as profit driven, I'm more that willing to make fun of Reaper, but Cockos and Justin in general do not strike me as profit driven, but that in no way shape or form makes them not product driven. They're constantly updating and fixing bugs, I can't think of any other DAW that has the lists of changes they have with not a month without something.

Plus I have ZERO doubt Reaper would be handed over sans copy protection the day the company dies. You can see their ideological commitment in pretty much everything they do, from hosting user themes to the extensible scripting they allow, to the pricing which is more forcing you the user to ask how honest you want to be, since you can use it without paying, and buy in cheaper even if you're making over 20k a year at music. Hell I would still think they were one of the most ideologically sound companies if he was a rabid Trumpster. I would jusrt blame the ugliness of the GUI on Mar a Lago effect instead of loyalty to their GUI developer.

[BBFG#]

Well that dive into the political got me to stop reading quick. Maybe you confuse activism with virtue signaling. I didn't think it really even has to do with that. Just an attempt to employ emotional blackmail. See who they can get drummed up on a side. I don't really care. Always best to distance from these people before the next time they cycle up. And their supporters get more dug in.

BTW, I liked Reaper well enough and have continued to watch and try it along the way. This is the thing that has me ignoring it now.

[BONES]

The most annoying thing on Kvr is people choosing to make things harder and expressing pride in doing such a thing. Just get the superior DAW (REAPER).

You mean the one that makes you work so much harder to get a usable DAW from it? That seems somewhat paradoxical, does it not?

My definition revolves around old folks who jerk around with old stuff (DAWS in this case) but never get anything cool done.

And where, prey-tell, can we hear some of the cool stuff you get done, Mr Pot?

[BONES]

All DAWs require you to figure them out. Yeah sure some simpler than others but so what.

That's not true at all. I was able to jump from hardware into Orion without having to learn anything. Literally nothing. It combined a completely familiar studio workflow with a completely familiar and intuitive Windows interface. The learning curve was precisely zero, I was productive with it the in the first minute I started using it.

OTOH, I had spent more than a year with Fruityloops before that and achieved precisely nothing in that time. I was the same after trying really hard for 3 or 4 months to get Bitwig to be useful. Then I moved to Cubase, which did have a learning curve but it was more about where things were, how features were accessed. The workflow itself was mostly intuitive.

My experience in Cubase made the switch to Studio One as easy as Orion had been. Zero learning curve. No need for any customisation, the way it worked out of the box seemed the perfect way to get things done. To be fair, if I'd gone straight from Orion to Studio One, I might have had a bit of a learning curve but nothing that I wouldnlt have been able to deal with on the fly, as I worked.

And? So f**king what mate. You're not makig music any better than what A.I. can spew out.

Of course I am. By the time a song is rebuilt in Studio Pro it sounds way, way better than the original AI version(s) that inspire and inform it. Even putting it through Ozone makes the AI version sound much better. AI just gives you a start, something to work from, it doesn't do it all for you.

Get off the f**king high horse.

I just asked a simple question, you're defensiveness tells me you have no logical answer.