If you had to stick to one DAW, which one would it be?

[VOODOO U]

That's to true at all. I was able to jump from hardware into Orion without having to learn anything. Literally nothing

You're confusing "zero learning curve" with "figuring out". You didn't load Orion for the first time knowing what to do right off the bat. You "figured it out" quickly because there was zero learning curve.

I just asked a simple question, you're defensiveness tells me you have no logical answer.

This is KVR. You must bicker and insult.

[BlackOctopusSteve]

After using Cool Edit Pro 2.0 (Thanks Peter Quistgard, IYKYK), Fruity Loops, Reason, and Cubase; it's Ableton for life for me.

[BONES]

I miss Cool Edit, Audition doesn't quite feel the same.

You're confusing "zero learning curve" with "figuring out". You didn't load Orion for the first time knowing what to do right off the bat. You "figured it out" quickly because there was zero learning curve.

I didn't realise you were looking over my shoulder at the time. There was nothing to figure out - there was a toolbar, a mixer and a timeline. There were well-labelled drop-down menus so you could access other features. Once you added an instrument, there was an instrument toolbar that gave you access to patterns and the piano roll. It was just like working in a hardware studio, without the endless patching of things. It required about as much "figuring out" as Notepad. Of course, it was Orion v1.2, so it was very basic, which made it easier than it would have been 5 years later. But that's the thing, all these DAWs are so f**king complex and convoluted these days that starting over with any of them is a giant pain in the f**king arse. That's why I was perfectly content with Studio One Artist and it's lack of bells and whistles. Sadly, they killed it off so now I have to put up with the full version.

[kneebone77]

No need for any customisation, the way it worked out of the box seemed the perfect way to get things done.

This has pretty much been my experience with Studio Pro, (Studio One).
The DAW kind of "gets out of the way" and facilitates creativity & getting work done.
My learning curve was minimal. If you have had previous experience with any linear recording/sequencing DAW then you should be able to dive right in to Studio Pro no prob.
After getting aquainted with recent updates, I'm seeing that the development team is only making things faster, more fluid & ultimately easier.

[BONES]

Yeah, mostly, but they still feel the need to keep adding new shit that I just don't need or care about. Honestly, the only reason I upgrade is for the little tweaks, the big features they promote are not things I have any need for. I was perfectly happy on Artist for several years, it had absolutely everything I need to get my work done. I fact, if the free version of Studio One had supported VST (or did it have a track limit, I can't remember) it would have been more than enough.

[Seafire Mk2]

They have to add new stuff. If they didn't there would be no updates. Bug fixes don't count (and they often don't bother)

New tricks = new cash.

Listen to us, this is new, you need it, you can't afford to fall behind, it's essential you buy in to this pointless feature

[BONES]

I understand precisely how stupid people are, you don't need to remind me.

[twal]

The most annoying thing on Kvr is people choosing to make things harder and expressing pride in doing such a thing. Just get the superior DAW (REAPER).

You mean the one that makes you work so much harder to get a usable DAW from it? That seems somewhat paradoxical, does it not?

My definition revolves around old folks who jerk around with old stuff (DAWS in this case) but never get anything cool done.

And where, prey-tell, can we hear some of the cool stuff you get done, Mr Pot?

I was just joking about Reaper being the superior daw. I've seen what people in here are parading about that are either earlier versions of daws or trackers. If using those old things is easier for them than using Reaper, or any other daw for that matter, (taking a month or so to make Reaper good for one shouldn't be much time compared to how much one spends on Kvr) then more power to them.

I mean this respectively, but a lot of people waste their time on here and don't produce. It's not for me to tell people what to do, but some things we do out of nervous energy, and not real desire- like coming on here and outright insulting people. That is 99% of the time a waste of it.

[machinesworking]

I was just joking about Reaper being the superior daw. I've seen what people in here are parading about that are either earlier versions of daws or trackers. If using those old things is easier for them than using Reaper, or any other daw for that matter, (taking a month or so to make Reaper good for one shouldn't be much time compared to how much one spends on Kvr) then more power to them.

I mean this respectively, but a lot of people waste their time on here and don't produce. It's not for me to tell people what to do, but some things we do out of nervous energy, and not real desire- like coming on here and outright insulting people. That is 99% of the time a waste of it.

Then why do it yourself? The level of cognitive dissonance in complaining about people outright insulting people while outright insulting people.

At least Bones knows he's an angry toot!

[twal]

I was just joking about Reaper being the superior daw. I've seen what people in here are parading about that are either earlier versions of daws or trackers. If using those old things is easier for them than using Reaper, or any other daw for that matter, (taking a month or so to make Reaper good for one shouldn't be much time compared to how much one spends on Kvr) then more power to them.

I mean this respectively, but a lot of people waste their time on here and don't produce. It's not for me to tell people what to do, but some things we do out of nervous energy, and not real desire- like coming on here and outright insulting people. That is 99% of the time a waste of it.

Then why do it yourself? The level of cognitive dissonance in complaining about people outright insulting people while outright insulting people.

At least Bones knows he's an angry toot!

I didn't insult anyone directly but made a crass remark that I regret even though it's wallpapered throughout the forum while I usually have self control- still not an excuse. I reworded it for clarity but deserve the lash back from those without refrain themselves.

[Mike777]

I need to change my vote from Studio One to Cakewalk. I made some tracks in S1 then made a new track in Cakewalk Sonar free and I'm never going back. Because I use midi piano roll so much when creating music. While S1 has some nice midi features I still find Cakewalk easier and better. For example midi note editing in the track.

[SamDi]

Difficult to say. I am toggling between Ableton Live and Cubendo. Their advantages and disadvantages are so exclusive against each other, that it would be difficult to say, which to prefer, if I‘d had to stick with one. Ableton for ideas, creativity and sound design. Cubendo for mixing with extended DAW features like mixer snapshots, multiple key command sets and deeper audio editing. I guess in terms of creating music and beeing ubiquitous all around people making electronic music - it would be Ableton.

[Jim Roseberry]

It's hard (for me) to believe I'm saying this... but ProTools.

Of late, I've been collaborating with a local song-writer (who ultimately records projects in a larger local studio), so I've been forced to use ProTools.

Got a Carbon audio interface (came with an Ultimate perpetual license).
Got a SSL UF8 controller and programmed my Streamdeck XL for use with ProTools.

In this collaboration, I've gotten songs a couple of days before the actual recording session.
That means I have to be able to work quickly/efficiently.
Though I'm the furthest from an "Apple guy"... I got Carbon for its DSP integration with ProTools and the fact that it doesn't have issues with Record Offset.
Avid said they're working on integrating Carbon with PC... but it's been 4-5 years.

I'm going off-topic... with some information I thing is relevant/important.
Pardon the thread-derail


Side Note for those using ProTools - "Record Offset":
If you're using anything but an Avid audio interface, your recorded audio is most likely not being placed properly on the timeline. It's a bit early or late.
The amount of Record Offset depends on how accurately your audio interface reports its ASIO latency to the DAW.
In 30+ years of building DAWs professionally, I've yet to see ANY audio interface report this latency correctly. There's always been some amount of Record Offset.
ALL other major DAW applications have a parameter to correct for Record Offset.
Avid chooses to avoid the issue (most likely hoping you'll do what I did... and grab one of their audio interfaces).

No matter what DAW application you're using, you should measure your audio interface's Record Offset (in samples).
Enter that figure in your DAW application's Record Offset parameter (to correct for it).
I'd recommend a quick "loop-back" test (analog out physically patched to analog in) to verify audio is placed accurately on the timeline. Use a snare hit, Impulse Response, or other short high-transient signal to make this easy.

Back to ProTools:
If you're not using an Avid audio interface, you can configure a Macro (via Streamdeck, DAW controller, etc) where a single button press slides the recorded audio clip into proper place on the timeline. A slight annoyance... but manageable.

If you know my background, I'm obviously a PC guy.
On my PC (running Antelope Orion Studio Synergy Core), I have Streamdeck XL (soon to be XL+) setup with said Macro. One button press... and Record Offset is fixed.
The Streamdeck XL is my ProTools remote-control.

I certainly understand the complaints about Avid/ProTools.
ie: The Ultimate subscription is $1200/year.
That said, with both Mac and PC ProTools rigs, I'm getting things done fast.
There's a lot of attention to detail that caters to the working professional.
I wouldn't want to use ProTools without the UF8 and Streamdeck.
I was just using Nuendo 15 (haven't programmed UF8 or Streamdeck for it)... and sorely missed the dedicated controls.

One other important thing to note about ProTools, it's CPU efficient (especially compared to Cubase/Nuendo).
To quickly/easily test performance limits, setup a project using a 32-sample ASIO buffer size. With the Orion Studio Synergy Core (48k), that's 1.3ms round-trip latency.
Load up a nice piano sample library like The Grandeur (Komplete).
Step on the sustain pedal... and gliss up/down your MIDI keyboard like crazy.
Now... let off the sustain pedal (quickly) while all those notes are sustaining.
In Cubase/Nuendo (and numerous other DAWs), you might hear a glitch... because it causes a CPU use spike. In ProTools, audio is glitch-free.
I can hear some saying... "Yeah, but I'm not going to play that way."
OK... I get that.
When a DAW application is more CPU efficient, you don't have to choose higher latency.
If your DAW can deliver clean audio under the most extreme circumstance, you have the freedom to play whatever you want, however you want, whenever you want.
Less focus on tech... more focus on music
[/Tome]

[legendCNCD]

"Less focus on tech... more focus on music" - This.

[jojoB3]

This was the biggest piece of AVID BORN BS I've read to date.
You're/they're YEARS late (and $1200/yr short).

"industry standard" my a$$

It's hard (for me) to believe I'm saying this... but ProTools.

Of late, I've been collaborating with a local song-writer (who ultimately records projects in a larger local studio), so I've been forced to use ProTools.

Got a Carbon audio interface (came with an Ultimate perpetual license).
Got a SSL UF8 controller and programmed my Streamdeck XL for use with ProTools.

In this collaboration, I've gotten songs a couple of days before the actual recording session.
That means I have to be able to work quickly/efficiently.
Though I'm the furthest from an "Apple guy"... I got Carbon for its DSP integration with ProTools and the fact that it doesn't have issues with Record Offset.
Avid said they're working on integrating Carbon with PC... but it's been 4-5 years.

I'm going off-topic... with some information I thing is relevant/important.
Pardon the thread-derail


Side Note for those using ProTools - "Record Offset":
If you're using anything but an Avid audio interface, your recorded audio is most likely not being placed properly on the timeline. It's a bit early or late.
The amount of Record Offset depends on how accurately your audio interface reports its ASIO latency to the DAW.
In 30+ years of building DAWs professionally, I've yet to see ANY audio interface report this latency correctly. There's always been some amount of Record Offset.
ALL other major DAW applications have a parameter to correct for Record Offset.
Avid chooses to avoid the issue (most likely hoping you'll do what I did... and grab one of their audio interfaces).

No matter what DAW application you're using, you should measure your audio interface's Record Offset (in samples).
Enter that figure in your DAW application's Record Offset parameter (to correct for it).
I'd recommend a quick "loop-back" test (analog out physically patched to analog in) to verify audio is placed accurately on the timeline. Use a snare hit, Impulse Response, or other short high-transient signal to make this easy.

Back to ProTools:
If you're not using an Avid audio interface, you can configure a Macro (via Streamdeck, DAW controller, etc) where a single button press slides the recorded audio clip into proper place on the timeline. A slight annoyance... but manageable.

If you know my background, I'm obviously a PC guy.
On my PC (running Antelope Orion Studio Synergy Core), I have Streamdeck XL (soon to be XL+) setup with said Macro. One button press... and Record Offset is fixed.
The Streamdeck XL is my ProTools remote-control.

I certainly understand the complaints about Avid/ProTools.
ie: The Ultimate subscription is $1200/year.
That said, with both Mac and PC ProTools rigs, I'm getting things done fast.
There's a lot of attention to detail that caters to the working professional.
I wouldn't want to use ProTools without the UF8 and Streamdeck.
I was just using Nuendo 15 (haven't programmed UF8 or Streamdeck for it)... and sorely missed the dedicated controls.

One other important thing to note about ProTools, it's CPU efficient (especially compared to Cubase/Nuendo).
To quickly/easily test performance limits, setup a project using a 32-sample ASIO buffer size. With the Orion Studio Synergy Core (48k), that's 1.3ms round-trip latency.
Load up a nice piano sample library like The Grandeur (Komplete).
Step on the sustain pedal... and gliss up/down your MIDI keyboard like crazy.
Now... let off the sustain pedal (quickly) while all those notes are sustaining.
In Cubase/Nuendo (and numerous other DAWs), you might hear a glitch... because it causes a CPU use spike. In ProTools, audio is glitch-free.
I can hear some saying... "Yeah, but I'm not going to play that way."
OK... I get that.
When a DAW application is more CPU efficient, you don't have to choose higher latency.
If your DAW can deliver clean audio under the most extreme circumstance, you have the freedom to play whatever you want, however you want, whenever you want.
Less focus on tech... more focus on music
[/Tome]