So how's Bitwig 6 going?

[JsinOwl]

Given the relatively modest level of griping, I'd say a significant majority of users are quite content.

[BobDog]

Or just not using BW anymore.

[questionaire]

Another big reason for leaving Bitwig i forgot to name is the lack of an official forum and the lack of being heard therefore by Bitwig forum moderators.

Most of the major daw’s are helpfull with their moderators. And i know Kemper Amps do have a great forum with active moderators. At least i know ableton and steinberg are helping and supporting.

Complaints are not being heard at Bitwig on this “official” forum or at least they pretent that no one is around here from Bitwig.

And no manual.

[BobDog]

I have been quite impressed with the Ableton official discord stuff, there is a permanent member of staff there dealing with things and also other Ableton employees piping up.

Sections for their different products, feature requests for their different products, sections for the more esoteric stuff. All pretty good. They also have a proper responsive beta testing system as well, and of course their documentation is kept up to date.

They have obviously taken a decision and put a bit of effort into keeping their users involved, and giving them some idea that they may have some impact going forward.

Bitwig (as in the company) has been silent for years, it's not a great look.

I'm pretty sure they read what is posted on the internet, it wouldn't be hard to keep up here as the first page of posts covers a month!

[pdxindy]

I have been quite impressed with the Ableton official discord stuff, there is a permanent member of staff there dealing with things and also other Ableton employees piping up.

Sections for their different products, feature requests for their different products, sections for the more esoteric stuff. All pretty good. They also have a proper responsive beta testing system as well, and of course their documentation is kept up to date.

They have obviously taken a decision and put a bit of effort into keeping their users involved, and giving them some idea that they may have some impact going forward.

Bitwig (as in the company) has been silent for years, it's not a great look.

I'm pretty sure they read what is posted on the internet, it wouldn't be hard to keep up here as the first page of posts covers a month!

I'm fine with Bitwig's silence. When I send in bug reports, I get a reply. They either ask for more info, or confirm it's a bug and forward it to the devs.

All the bugs I've reported in the V6 beta period and since release have all been fixed.

The Bitwig Discord works well as a place for users to troubleshoot together. I'm good to go.

As for this forum, part of me thinks it would be better to just shut it down. It tends to be an unmoderated mess and frequently the noise exceeds the signal. But it also is useful for people sometimes. It would probably be a benefit for Bitwig to assign someone to moderate this forum. Doesn't need a company rep posting here, just moderation.

[JsinOwl]

Or just not using BW anymore.

If you were around for the spectral suite fiasco you'd know that this forum can get ablaze with hate when there's something really worth griping about. So no, I would disagree with your assessment that relative calm is evidence of the community's discontent.

[SLiC]

Mad isn't it!

They've had about eight months to do it from the first beta. Absolutely baffling.

I’m simply not updating until there is a manual, anyway, Live has scripts now…keeping me distracted!

[BobDog]

Or just not using BW anymore.

If you were around for the spectral suite fiasco you'd know that this forum can get ablaze with hate when there's something really worth griping about. So no, I would disagree with your assessment that relative calm is evidence of the community's discontent.

Well I was and what I am saying is that now I see a lot less footfall here, maybe it's just this forum and the same amount of people are still using Bitwig, I hope so but worry that they are loosing users that's all.

[BobDog]

I have been quite impressed with the Ableton official discord stuff, there is a permanent member of staff there dealing with things and also other Ableton employees piping up.

Sections for their different products, feature requests for their different products, sections for the more esoteric stuff. All pretty good. They also have a proper responsive beta testing system as well, and of course their documentation is kept up to date.

They have obviously taken a decision and put a bit of effort into keeping their users involved, and giving them some idea that they may have some impact going forward.

Bitwig (as in the company) has been silent for years, it's not a great look.

I'm pretty sure they read what is posted on the internet, it wouldn't be hard to keep up here as the first page of posts covers a month!

I'm fine with Bitwig's silence. When I send in bug reports, I get a reply. They either ask for more info, or confirm it's a bug and forward it to the devs.

All the bugs I've reported in the V6 beta period and since release have all been fixed.

The Bitwig Discord works well as a place for users to troubleshoot together. I'm good to go.

As for this forum, part of me thinks it would be better to just shut it down. It tends to be an unmoderated mess and frequently the noise exceeds the signal. But it also is useful for people sometimes. It would probably be a benefit for Bitwig to assign someone to moderate this forum. Doesn't need a company rep posting here, just moderation.

I should check out the BW discord then...

[Teezdalien]

It's not like Ableton are fixing core problems with it's old codebase.. hmm PDC cough cough...
Just introducing another whole new can of worms regarding stability with user scripting, as if M4L wasn't already enough.
No thanks.

[tompisa]

I mainly work with Cubase and Live because I rarely find a good enough reason to use Bitwig. All that modulation madness doesn’t exactly create new hits either, and Linux support is completely irrelevant for music production. Sure, it’s great tech-nerd stuff to show off with, but that’s about it
Bitwig is such an excellent DAW that I keep wondering—especially since Version 5—why people here keep complaining about it or a missing V6 manual (??)
DAWs in general are already very mature, and just like with the iPhone - 19 years ago- , there isn’t a “next big thing” .
I love Bitwig and think Version 6 is fantastic. That said, I still don’t see any reason to get the extended subscription for a year. I’m sure I’m not the only one who feels this way.

I’d actually love for the Bitwig team to merge back with Ableton (would join forces again) , because Live desperately needs help modernizing its rotten codebase and architecture. Best of luck / Many successes to the team!

[limitlesssss]

I’d actually love for the Bitwig team to merge back with Ableton (would join forces again) ,

No, thank you.

[BobDog]

I mainly work with Cubase and Live because I rarely find a good enough reason to use Bitwig. All that modulation madness doesn’t exactly create new hits either, and Linux support is completely irrelevant for music production. Sure, it’s great tech-nerd stuff to show off with, but that’s about it

So you don't use Bitwig?

Bitwig is such an excellent DAW that I keep wondering—especially since Version 5—why people here keep complaining about it or a missing V6 manual (??)

But you don't use it, or did I get that bit wrong?

I'm guessing the manual thing people see as just a sign that things are not being done properly.

Can You imagine a new user buying Cubase or Live and being given a manual for the previous version?

[MegaPixel]

This is just an FYI for those who use multiple DAWs like me. I do like to use Studio One, erm, fender bender for when I need to do some ARA stuff or video, or for just a change from time to time, but I will be back in Bitwig before you know it.

Ok, so what did I do...
I saw the fender bender 8.1 update and thought, ooo stem sep', enhance midi extraction, etc etc, I use SO7 so why not, lets give it a go...

Complete and utter waste of my upgrade and money, reasons being:

- Its got stem separation (no this is a 3rd party sub which you only get 1 month for free)
Result: I'm so pissed about this I'm going to create a window & linux app that does 6 stem separation and put it on github for everyone to use for free.
For those who can work it out, here's what I will be working it out from: https://github.com/openmirlab/bs-roformer-infer

- Its got audio to midi
Result: Yep the videos show the perfect scenarios, may as well stick with RIPX DAW

- Its got built in mini LLM that you can Q&A how to use things and where things are
Result: No they didn't train a light model like Gemma 4B2 on fender bender's manual so it doesn't install locally (would take about 3gb of ram, and would run on cpu or gpu, and could be unloaded and loaded when needed if they gave the option), nope. You need a pro + subscription.

- Extract chords
You guessed it it, not part of fender bender, it's the 3rd party that does stem seperation and it's a pdf, so much for midi eh...

- Vocal changer
And yes you probably guessed it again, no fender bender doesn't do that either it's the 3rd party they partnered with and only for subbed customers only, 1 month for perpetual license customers. Tested, eeeeeks. Cringe... Stick with ReSing or SoundID VoiceAI. AceStudio does voice changer also but its good vocals are generated when you generate a track from a slice of your own creations, the change your voice I don't find it to be that good quality but I am using stem seperations.

I can't see any real improvements...

So the moral of the story is, if you still got Studio One Pro 7, stay on it, upgrade maybe at version 17 or something.

Long live Wig Bit 5, may 7.1 be the time of the great upgrade (for me).

I mainly work with Cubase

Oh hell no... Been there had the T-shirt 3 or 4 times now, wont make that mistake again...