Do listeners devalue AI-generated pop music?

[TechHaus]

i'm not with the juvenile trend driven by social media and the right wing to demonize and denigrate academia and intelligentsia and wrap everything in conspiracy theories ... the internet has made people devalue REAL SMEs and REAL subject matter expertise ... of course everything and everybody has an agenda ... that's why you take in ALL the data, cross correlate it, sift it, and sort it ... so that as much objective truth as possible falls out...when you remove all confidence and respect for institutions, there is no central reference point to wrap societal cohesion around and civilization will fall into chaos and fail ... dunning & krueger plus Tom Nichols is in effect ... they didn't make the world stupid by accident, ... they made the world overconfident on purpose

Oh — what an insight!

In the nineties and the noughties, we still believed that the
internet would bring more communication, more participation
for everyone, and more democracy.

Now, however, we must acknowledge that this is not the case
— and that the negative effects of the internet likely outweigh
the positive ones: fake news, conspiracy theories, and
authoritarian views spread far more dramatically than facts
and rational arguments.

And this is where AI proves most welcome, for it serves to
further amplify this dominance — and all its effects.

However, such ranting and indignation are actually quite
pointless. For what do we hope to achieve by it?

No, one would actually have to make suggestions as to how
everything could be saved. How, in other words, we could
escape hell. Where are the suggestions?

What is up with your text formatting? are your posts poetry? Cool you are into emdashes too. I don't even know how to type those.

[TechHaus]

On the subject of young'uns being ok with ai, saw two college commencement speeches so far where the crowd vigorously boo'ed speakers who were evangelizing ai.

Not going to share them because I want to see if they come across your timelines on their own.

[bftucker]

Over one million views and it has cats! AI?

[BertKoor]

Carlos Santana with Aretha Franklin - 1971 live at Fillmore West

Lost tapes? My ass. That ain't close, no fooling anybody.

[Kenmac]

Carlos Santana with Aretha Franklin - 1971 live at Fillmore West

Lost tapes? My ass. That ain't close, no fooling anybody.

Yeah, Fil from the Wings of Pegasus YouTube channel did a video regarding that channel last weekend:

[bermudagold]

Carlos Santana with Aretha Franklin - 1971 live at Fillmore West

Lost tapes? My ass. That ain't close, no fooling anybody.

that amalgamation of voices trained on for that model is quite pleasing and will fool most probably...but it failed miserably at channeling aretha...i guess that is the hope with using data as a forcing function to a normalized distribution and selecting for the mean,...that what is unique will stand out even more

[VOODOO U]

The accuracy of A I. output depends on the skill level of the one prompting. I watched the Carano vs. Rousey fight this past Saturday which lasted 17 seconds. Went on YouTube to see comments and someone had posted up a vid of the "full fight". I was shocked at how well this individual mocked up his own fight. Had I not seen the actual fight I would've thought this A.I. created mock up was how it went down.
The first thing that popped in my head was the Running Man.

[VOODOO U]

Oh and forgot to.memtion the mock up was uploaded about 2 hours after the fight. That's when I went to look for comments. That's how quick this shit can work.

[Zeisner]

That ain't close, no fooling anybody.

It already fools the majority if people. The majority can't even tell if it's a man or a woman singing. Or if it's a real guitar playing or just a YM2612. They hear a lot less than you would think.

[ghettosynth]

Over one million views and it has cats! AI?

I'm pretty sure that this is not AI, I mean, if you want a biscuit song.

[agharta]

Carlos Santana with Aretha Franklin - 1971 live at Fillmore West

Lost tapes? My ass. That ain't close, no fooling anybody.

It doesn't remotely sound like Aretha and the production has a weird sound not like anything I've heard before.

[BONES]

Study paid for by a government who is investing heavily in AI. Follow the money.

Study paid for by a government who is investing heavily in AI. Follow the money.

Or read the f**king paper and decide for yourself how legitimate its findings might be. This isn't just a presentation of findings, it's a scientific paper with full disclosure of its methodology. If you want to attack its veracity, try finding fault in their method because your "follow the money" line simply doesn't fit here.

...but to think we would have reached a point already where a critical mass has achieved blanket acceptance without bias, would be surprising...and kinda sad

Why, because it shows that you're not as special as you'd like to think you are? Suck it up, princess. Good music is good music, it doesn't matter where it comes from.

Who is doing the studies? The tobacco industry said their studies showed that tobacco didn’t cause cancer.

And if you could have read the full scientific papers they were talking about, I'm sure you would have been able to see how their conclusions were wrong and debunk them. You can do the same here.

The fossil fuel industry did studies that they said that burning fossil fuels didn’t cause global warming.

Again with access to their papers you could decide for yourself, just as you can here.

It’s very important to always ask yourself three questions. Who is doing the study, who is funding it, and who stands to profit from the results.

Only where you have no access to the actual study methodology or data, Here you have both so you can judge the veracity for yourself. I do this all the time when the government uses bogus road safety studies to justify ever more draconian road rules. I make request to the government for information and they point me to the studies they've used. From there I can assess their veracity for myself. Anyone can do the same here.

So far I've only read the abstract but it seems the methodology is sound and I feel the results should be trustworthy. It also correlates with all the other informal research that's been done, so I don't see how you can possibly dismiss it out of hand like this.

I’ve never in my life seen a marketing campaign like the one for AI. It’s so aggressive.

I've not seen any campaign for it at all, beyond the likes of Google, Apple and Samsung trying to use it to sell more phones, just as they did with their digital assistants a decade ago.

Here's my data: No AI business has yet to turn a profit.

It took Amazon almost a decade to turn its first full year profit but look how that turned out. They'll do what the mobile phone industry - make it cheap until it reaches total market saturation, then start jacking the price up. 20 years ago I was only paying $5 a month for my mobile phone plan with unlimited tak and text but today the cheapest plan I can get is $50.

The company I work for has embraced Ai in the workplace wholeheartedly and I'm sure they are paying a motza for it and to train the staff on it.

The way to do it is to pay TikTok (owned by a far right billionaire) money, or else your content doesn't get put into rotation. It's literally pay-to-play. So help me make sense of this...

TikTok is owned by a Chinese company and, last time I looked, that made them Far Left, as in Communists.

I worked to write the music.
I worked a job to buy all the necessary equipment and software to produce the music.
I worked to produce the music.

So did I. I still do.

So if I want someone to actually listen to my music, I have to pay the Right Wing billionaire money, or else it's up to me to point people to my songs and hope that somehow it gets shared a lot and goes viral.

Yes, so what? It has ever been thus. No A&R man was ever going to sign a band if they went to a gig and there were only 5 people there, no matter how good the artist might have been.

Anyway, this is getting really f**king boring, If you want to stick your head in the sand and think that your lack of success is down to anything other than the fact that nobody is interested in your music, have at it.

We're not doing Pop music, we're making art, aren't we? Artists are often not appreciated in their time, you just have to have faith that what you're doing is worthwhile and be happy with that. 100 dedicated followers who really connect with your art are worth more than 100,000 clueless fucktards jumping onto the latest trend, aren't they?

[BONES]

Because, naturally, the AI ​​is trained on the best and most popular songs. The AI ​​then creates songs of its own that sound very
similar — songs that, in a blind test, cannot be distinguished from human-made songs.

That was true early on, a few years ago Ai was completely incapable of doing anything beyond a handful of mainstream genres, but over time the training sets have clearly broadened and today's AI can do pretty much any genre/style you can think of.

AI-generated songs are created without the passion, emotions, statements, messages, or effort inherent in human songs.

If that was true, then listeners would have no trouble at all distinguishing between Ai and human generated songs btu ALL the research tells us that's not the case, so your point is clearly invalid.

Many people underestimate the capabilities of AI

And you're their poster boy!

That's precisely why AI – without drastic regulation – will
completely take over the market for creative arts and music.

If that means no more Justin Bieber, I think it's a sacrifice worth making, don't you?

Just searching for the next something new and different and AI can't do that.

I dunno, I think Tunee did that for us. Of course, we took it, dismantled it and turned into more of the same shit we've been doing for years but a lot of the stuff it spat out for us was quite novel in its combination of influences.

[BBFG#]

Sorry to have to say though, that's a low bar for what you do.

[BONES]

Given how few people around here share their music, I'd suggest it's a way higher bar than they are reaching for. All we ever wanted to do was play a few gigs. I never had any ideas of recording or releasing anything. Other people put up the money to record, press and release my first single, I wasn't interested in that at all. A guy I was roadie-ing for pretty much bullied me into recording my first album in his studio because he wanted to be the producer. I had no interest at the time. All I've ever wanted to do was get up on stage with a big PA and scream my lungs out and everything else I do around my/our music is directed towards creating more and better opportunities to do that.