wait why alternative of sfz? why would you want or need it?
maybe if youre on a 486
RonC
T2 plug-ins
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
Keep in mind, not everyone in the world is aware of all VST developers and what they offer for free. Raw Materials wouldn't have been able to get sfz for distribution, anyhow. Bismark (though I haven't used it yet) offers a more familiar interface than the minimal one used in sfz, as well.
Will *I* stop using sfz? Not likely. But I can see why they'd include an alternative along with Tracktion 2.
Greg
Will *I* stop using sfz? Not likely. But I can see why they'd include an alternative along with Tracktion 2.
Greg
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- KVRAF
- 3745 posts since 29 Sep, 2002 from Killafornia
Well, SFZ+ and Jeskola would be great bundled with Tracktion. BUT theres this phenomenon called mac users, so all the bundled plug-ins probably have to be cross platform. So no Voxengo, Kjaerhus Audio, RGC, Jeskola, etc.
Speaking about Jeskola, I went to Jeskola.com (their real site is .net) and it has a page with all the jeskola products but they all link to the FL site. Very strange. Imageline must be at war with Jeskola.
Speaking about Jeskola, I went to Jeskola.com (their real site is .net) and it has a page with all the jeskola products but they all link to the FL site. Very strange. Imageline must be at war with Jeskola.
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- KVRAF
- 4644 posts since 28 Nov, 2002 from Chicago
Are you being sarcastic?AD80 wrote: Speaking about Jeskola, I went to Jeskola.com (their real site is .net) and it has a page with all the jeskola products but they all link to the FL site. Very strange. Imageline must be at war with Jeskola.
The JMC vs Jeskola war is so well documented I honestly can't imagine you've missed it.
Someone shot the food. Remember: don't shoot food!
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- KVRer
- 27 posts since 29 Jan, 2005 from SK, Canada
Perhaps you can find a truly embittered soul to spin the tale for you. Try searching the forums at http://www.buzzmachines.comI honestly can't imagine you've missed it.
It's truly a legendary story (although I don't know of anyone who's written it all down), I just got on the Tracktion wagon after 8 years of buzzing it so this post caught my eye. I've tried many other hosts in the meantime but nothing clicked with me like Buzz until now. Nice work Jules!
I feel so cold.
darylpierce.com
darylpierce.com
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- KVRAF
- 3745 posts since 29 Sep, 2002 from Killafornia
Man this sounds good. Can somebody give me a basic overview of it? Wheres the keynote?plush2 wrote:
Perhaps you can find a truly embittered soul to spin the tale for you. Try searching the forums at http://www.buzzmachines.com
It's truly a legendary story (although I don't know of anyone who's written it all down)
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- KVRer
- 27 posts since 29 Jan, 2005 from SK, Canada
From a buzzers perspective who has never really used FL and with no particular ill will towards IL or Oskari...
Oskari creates buzz, a tracker which was and still is and amazing program 7 or 8 years afterwards. He soon starts to work on a much anticipated buzz2, much anticipated because the buzz development and user community is growing at a rapid rate. At some point pre-beta (maybe even alpha) he has a Quantum Fireball drive go down hard never to rise again. On that drive is the only copy of the source code for not only buzz2 but buzz1 as well. Probably a lack of foresight but be honest, we've all done it at one point or another. Oskari receives donations towards an expensive recovery of the data on the drive. No one knows wether the data was extricated or not.....ooooh.
Oskari makes the wonderful (in my opinion) XS-1 sampler and comes out with a new dsp library for sale (possibly based on buzz code, concepts, or at least ideas?) and someone forgets to renew the domain for jeskola.com (Oskari or another trusted friend I think) and the domain falls into the hands of an internet used domain salesman or profiteer if you will (something to do with "Million"somethingorother) who puts the domain on sale for the slight markup of $1000. At this point, aside from the hard drive money Oskari has never received cash of any kind for his work on buzz (as far as I know) and obviously can't shell out that kind of money for a non-revenue generating domain. Image Line, being clever buisness men pick up the domain and offer a deal to Oskari to code a wrapper that would ideally allow FL to load the vast library of effect and instrument plugins coded for buzz. Oskari agreas and delivers (sort of). At this point I'm sure an IL representative will be able to better express their disappointment in the end result of this deal. From the average users perspective it resulted in a bunch of angry interchange, a wrapper that was capable of crashing FL in a rather unfortunate way and a rather unfortunate, humorous hidden message in an FL About screen regarding Oskari. FL owns jeskola.com using it to promote their software and the eventual usable buzzmachine support they were able to put together and Oskari has moved on to jeskola.net.
Not as much detail as I could have gone into but probably more than I should have
Please feel free to add to this tale any substantiated facts, and point out any glaring errors you might see.
Oskari creates buzz, a tracker which was and still is and amazing program 7 or 8 years afterwards. He soon starts to work on a much anticipated buzz2, much anticipated because the buzz development and user community is growing at a rapid rate. At some point pre-beta (maybe even alpha) he has a Quantum Fireball drive go down hard never to rise again. On that drive is the only copy of the source code for not only buzz2 but buzz1 as well. Probably a lack of foresight but be honest, we've all done it at one point or another. Oskari receives donations towards an expensive recovery of the data on the drive. No one knows wether the data was extricated or not.....ooooh.
Oskari makes the wonderful (in my opinion) XS-1 sampler and comes out with a new dsp library for sale (possibly based on buzz code, concepts, or at least ideas?) and someone forgets to renew the domain for jeskola.com (Oskari or another trusted friend I think) and the domain falls into the hands of an internet used domain salesman or profiteer if you will (something to do with "Million"somethingorother) who puts the domain on sale for the slight markup of $1000. At this point, aside from the hard drive money Oskari has never received cash of any kind for his work on buzz (as far as I know) and obviously can't shell out that kind of money for a non-revenue generating domain. Image Line, being clever buisness men pick up the domain and offer a deal to Oskari to code a wrapper that would ideally allow FL to load the vast library of effect and instrument plugins coded for buzz. Oskari agreas and delivers (sort of). At this point I'm sure an IL representative will be able to better express their disappointment in the end result of this deal. From the average users perspective it resulted in a bunch of angry interchange, a wrapper that was capable of crashing FL in a rather unfortunate way and a rather unfortunate, humorous hidden message in an FL About screen regarding Oskari. FL owns jeskola.com using it to promote their software and the eventual usable buzzmachine support they were able to put together and Oskari has moved on to jeskola.net.
Not as much detail as I could have gone into but probably more than I should have
Please feel free to add to this tale any substantiated facts, and point out any glaring errors you might see.
I feel so cold.
darylpierce.com
darylpierce.com
. I cant believe I never heard about it. Thanks for the summary Plush2.-
- KVRAF
- 2417 posts since 17 Jun, 2003
I didn't know any of that either, cheers for the story, v interesting
"my gosh it's a friggin hardware"
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- KVRAF
- 5258 posts since 16 May, 2002 from Brisbane , Australia
I never knew but very interesting.
Intel Core i7 8700K, 16gb, Windows 10 Pro, Focusrite Scarlet 6i6
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- KVRian
- 975 posts since 31 Jan, 2005
To add a bit to the subject about Buzz.
There was a free registration option that you could use.
The only thing you got for it was your name in the donate box of Buzz1.
Unfortunately my donation of 50$ (which was a lot to me back then) came in after the crash, so I dont have my name in there.
There was some frustration amongst the plugin developers in the buzz community, since the plugins developing license has a clausul about having to be free. They (we) felt somewhat cheated by the sell by Oskari to FL so that a commercial software could benefit from the work provided by free.
Oskari was hower entitled to do that as much as he cared or wanted to, it was all in the eula.
But add that with the frustration of the never recoverd hardrive, the never released buzz2 (although jeskola.net states its being developed) and the roumours about how much money was being donated to recover the (in)famous hardrive put him in a bad place in ppls minds.
Undeserved I think, roumours are roumours. and he was entitled to sell the buzzlib as it was his product, and (as far as I know) never promised not to sell it.
He is as great a programmer and visionary as Jules.
Buzz is a wonderful product, and if Buzz2 ever comes out, Ill by or donate to it faster then you can say RAW Material Software.
This will however not stop me from loving Tracktion, they are alike, but two different ladies altogether
There was a free registration option that you could use.
The only thing you got for it was your name in the donate box of Buzz1.
Unfortunately my donation of 50$ (which was a lot to me back then) came in after the crash, so I dont have my name in there.
There was some frustration amongst the plugin developers in the buzz community, since the plugins developing license has a clausul about having to be free. They (we) felt somewhat cheated by the sell by Oskari to FL so that a commercial software could benefit from the work provided by free.
Oskari was hower entitled to do that as much as he cared or wanted to, it was all in the eula.
But add that with the frustration of the never recoverd hardrive, the never released buzz2 (although jeskola.net states its being developed) and the roumours about how much money was being donated to recover the (in)famous hardrive put him in a bad place in ppls minds.
Undeserved I think, roumours are roumours. and he was entitled to sell the buzzlib as it was his product, and (as far as I know) never promised not to sell it.
He is as great a programmer and visionary as Jules.
Buzz is a wonderful product, and if Buzz2 ever comes out, Ill by or donate to it faster then you can say RAW Material Software.
This will however not stop me from loving Tracktion, they are alike, but two different ladies altogether
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35475 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
Lunch Money quoth But I can see why they'd include an alternative along with Tracktion 2.
And they may not have been able to/wanted to bundle sfz+ since Rene had hooked up with Cakewalk....
And they may not have been able to/wanted to bundle sfz+ since Rene had hooked up with Cakewalk....
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"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
