What limiter are u using?

[ampetrosillo]

My feeling was EL sounded good even at stupid amounts of reduction, plenty of options to alter the sound if needed. Managed 20db of reduction on a kick drum, it gelled it nicely, reduced the output to suit and sounded fine.

Most sensible people I've watched have stated True Peak is BS for the most part.

True peaks (ie. ISPs) are only a problem in extremely pathological cases (most ISPs are below 1dB) and with bad DACs. At that point, if the DAC is bad, most probably it is going to sound like crap anyway. The only case where it might matter is when you are converting something to a lossy format, but at that point, your true peak should be, according to conservative advice, below -1dB anyway (FWIW, I'm not convinced that lossy encoders struggle with ISPs).

[spigmu]

Toneboosters' Barricade.

[vitocorleone123]

El Juan

Yeah - this is the one we've been waiting for.
https://korneffaudio.com/product/el-juan-limiter/

Demoing it now. No ISP protection, I need to set the ceiling to -1.5 to prevent peaks from going any further than -0.3. Pumpy. Mushes transients and the high end. Same deal as the free W1 so for me only worth using on tracks/buses.

The input/output are amplifiers - the limiting is set to 0.0. You can enable oversampling and also the other advanced features. Yes, not a modern mastering limiter and not pretending to be one (either was L1, really).

It sounds pretty bad (not good), even at moderate gain reduction levels. Well, not surprising, considering that it's based on the obsolete L1 limiter of the late 1990s. Why would I use a bad sounding limiter, when I can use a free limiter like Kilohearts Limiter, that sounds significantly better for all basic limiting purposes? Not to mention dedicated mastering limiters like Tokyo Dawn Limiter 6.

Ever use a saturation or distortion plugin?

And if you don’t like how it sounds, leave it those who know better

It doesn’t replace a clean limiter on the mix bus or whenever that’s needed. But that’s not always needed.

[BackInCheck]

El Juan

Yeah - this is the one we've been waiting for.
https://korneffaudio.com/product/el-juan-limiter/

Demoing it now. No ISP protection, I need to set the ceiling to -1.5 to prevent peaks from going any further than -0.3. Pumpy. Mushes transients and the high end. Same deal as the free W1 so for me only worth using on tracks/buses.

The input/output are amplifiers - the limiting is set to 0.0. You can enable oversampling and also the other advanced features. Yes, not a modern mastering limiter and not pretending to be one (either was L1, really).

It sounds pretty bad (not good), even at moderate gain reduction levels. Well, not surprising, considering that it's based on the obsolete L1 limiter of the late 1990s. Why would I use a bad sounding limiter, when I can use a free limiter like Kilohearts Limiter, that sounds significantly better for all basic limiting purposes? Not to mention dedicated mastering limiters like Tokyo Dawn Limiter 6.

Ever use a saturation or distortion plugin?

And if you don’t like how it sounds, leave it those who know better

It doesn’t replace a clean limiter on the mix bus or whenever that’s needed. But that’s not always needed.

If I want saturation, I use a dedicated saturation plugin. However, I don't want my dynamics plugins to cause distortion inadvertendly as an undesired side-effect.

If that is something you like, go for it. I'm not judging you!

[sqigls]

you must be fun at parties

[gaggle of hermits]

if you're having conversations about embedded saturation vs discrete saturation tools, I think you may be attending the wrong parties.

[cptgone]

Imagine attending a party, and when asked a question, someone politely shares his point of view - an opinion differing from yours?
The horror!

[sqigls]

get some context

[Sampleconstruct]

DMG Limitless or Fabfilter L3

[gaggle of hermits]

get some context

go out and touch some grass

[The Main Event]

DMG Limitless or Fabfilter L3

time traveller? for a moment i was excited...

[Sampleconstruct]

DMG Limitless or Fabfilter L3

time traveller? for a moment i was excited...

I lost track, only the equalizer and Timeless and Volcano have a version 3. Well, L2 then.

[zerocrossing]

I’m using the UAD 1176 and LA-2A Limiting Amplifiers a lot on channels now.

And I still use IK Stealth Limiter at the end of my 2-buss, as I have for years.

Same. They seem to do the job well. Is there something better? Maybe, but I’ve never found them to be lacking.

[HOTF]

if you're having conversations about embedded saturation vs discrete saturation tools, I think you may be attending the wrong parties.

i have been attending the wrong parties this whole time

[vitocorleone123]

Yeah - this is the one we've been waiting for.
https://korneffaudio.com/product/el-juan-limiter/

Demoing it now. No ISP protection, I need to set the ceiling to -1.5 to prevent peaks from going any further than -0.3. Pumpy. Mushes transients and the high end. Same deal as the free W1 so for me only worth using on tracks/buses.

The input/output are amplifiers - the limiting is set to 0.0. You can enable oversampling and also the other advanced features. Yes, not a modern mastering limiter and not pretending to be one (either was L1, really).

It sounds pretty bad (not good), even at moderate gain reduction levels. Well, not surprising, considering that it's based on the obsolete L1 limiter of the late 1990s. Why would I use a bad sounding limiter, when I can use a free limiter like Kilohearts Limiter, that sounds significantly better for all basic limiting purposes? Not to mention dedicated mastering limiters like Tokyo Dawn Limiter 6.

Ever use a saturation or distortion plugin?

And if you don’t like how it sounds, leave it those who know better

It doesn’t replace a clean limiter on the mix bus or whenever that’s needed. But that’s not always needed.

If I want saturation, I use a dedicated saturation plugin. However, I don't want my dynamics plugins to cause distortion inadvertendly as an undesired side-effect.

If that is something you like, go for it. I'm not judging you!

El Juan, to me, is a dedicated saturation plugin that functions a bit like overdrive (yeah I’m simplifying). I even have a hardware analog gear (Acidbox 3) that has a built in limiter that starts getting hit harder and distorts as you crank the input level. I have another analog overdrive that tends to flatten things out and eventually distorts. I have another analog pedal, a chorus pedal, that you can get to distort if you crank the input volume.

If I want to cleanly limit something I’d use a plugin designed for that. I have and use others.