KVR Audio

BassMasterK · Post by **BassMasterK** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:06 am

sfxsound3 wrote:
fmr wrote:
sfxsound3 wrote:Then imagine how it sounds to a rat!

Everything is subjective, but with that said, the correct answer to your dilemma is: Sylenth - good, Arturia - bad.

No need to thank me, I just did you a favour for free, 'coz I'm generous!

Another troll trying to win the troll cup
Not really. Couldn't give half a shit about anything that happens on this forum. I've been reading here since 2004 - pointless discussions ad nauseam, ad infinitum, rinse and repeat.

Let me say it another way: Arturia SUCKS

You don't like what I say? More BARF to you!

Hey sfxsound3, do you have any links to some of your music online I could listen to? I'd be very interested in checking it out.

braj · Post by **braj** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:20 am

Gamma-UT wrote:
sfxsound3 wrote:Not really. Couldn't give half a shit about anything that happens on this forum. I've been reading here since 2004 - pointless discussions ad nauseam, ad infinitum, rinse and repeat.
And yet, here you are.

Yep

krismiller1982 · Post by **krismiller1982** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 4:06 am

Very disappointed with the cpu usage DX7 is putting out... Can’t even play a mock up Tx816 setup live on my MBP...

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 10:22 am

krismiller1982 wrote:Very disappointed with the cpu usage DX7 is putting out... Can’t even play a mock up Tx816 setup live on my MBP...

What are the specifications of your MBP? Here (an Intel i7 3770 @ 3.4 GHz), I can play eight instances of DX7 V (I tried that exactly to play the TX816 presets) with around 50% CPU taxing.

Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:40 pm

fmr wrote:
krismiller1982 wrote:Very disappointed with the cpu usage DX7 is putting out... Can’t even play a mock up Tx816 setup live on my MBP...
What are the specifications of your MBP? Here (an Intel i7 3770 @ 3.4 GHz), I can play eight instances of DX7 V (I tried that exactly to play the TX816 presets) with around 50% CPU taxing.

I think this is still ridiculous. Thats why i keep off to upgrade. The cpu optimization is a joke for such a company. Even omnisphere is better even it sucks much CPU for high quality

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:23 pm

Caine123 wrote:
fmr wrote:
krismiller1982 wrote:Very disappointed with the cpu usage DX7 is putting out... Can’t even play a mock up Tx816 setup live on my MBP...
What are the specifications of your MBP? Here (an Intel i7 3770 @ 3.4 GHz), I can play eight instances of DX7 V (I tried that exactly to play the TX816 presets) with around 50% CPU taxing.
I think this is still ridiculous. Thats why i keep off to upgrade. The cpu optimization is a joke for such a company. Even omnisphere is better even it sucks much CPU for high quality

You can't compare. Omnisphere is playing samples. DX7 V is synthesizing sound in real time. If you want to compare the performance of Omnisphere, you have to compare it with Kontakt for example, or CMI V. Even HALion and Falcon, that are essentially samplers, have more synthesis capabilities than Omnisphere. So, if Omnisphere is taxing the CPU, being essentially a ROMpler, I can't understand why are you complaining about DX7 V. 50% for eight instances is acceptable, IMO.

Curently, the instrument that taxes more the CPU is Easel V, and that's for a reason. You can't demand Arturia to perform high quality and keep the CPU low.

beely · Post by **beely** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:34 pm

fmr wrote:You can't compare. Omnisphere is playing samples.

There is a common misconception that this is all Omnisphere does. It doesn't *just* play samples, it is also a full VA, with a lot of interesting oscillator/wave modulation things.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:41 pm

beely wrote:
fmr wrote:You can't compare. Omnisphere is playing samples.
There is a common misconception that this is all Omnisphere does. It doesn't *just* play samples, it is also a full VA, with a lot of interesting oscillator/wave modulation things.

Yes, but so is Kontakt, if you want to go that way, and is Falcon and HALion (among many other things). So, if you want to compare Omnisphere CPU taxation, compare it with Kontakt, or with Falcon and HALion (but not when these are performing granular, wavetable, FM, etc.)

DX7 V is also a subtractive synth, if you want to go that path (and a six oscillator one, each with it's own filter, and also "with a lot of interesting oscillator/wave modulation things" - it even does an interesting oscillator modulation called FM, among other things, BTW

). So, what the heck are we comparing here? A modern synth, capable of real complex synthesis, with a ROMpler that also does subtractive?

And people accept the ROMpler taxes the CPU, but don't accept the more complex synth to also tax de CPU...

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:52 pm

beely wrote:
fmr wrote:You can't compare. Omnisphere is playing samples.
There is a common misconception that this is all Omnisphere does. It doesn't *just* play samples, it is also a full VA, with a lot of interesting oscillator/wave modulation things.

Usually it's the granular synthesis engine that eats cpu in Omnisphere, the VA engine is very light

beely · Post by **beely** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:05 pm

fmr wrote:Yes, but so is Kontakt, if you want to go that way

No, Kontakt is a sample player with a synth engine only, it does not have proper VA oscillators and is therefore not a proper synth. Omnisphere does both, and the only way I want to go is to point out the misconception that Omnisphere is *only* a sample player - it is not.

noiseboyuk · Post by **noiseboyuk** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:32 pm

Oh good grief. 10 years on, and still with the "omnisphere is basically a rompler" crap. It is possible in Omni to have 10 oscillators (no, not samples) in one patch in a total virtual-analogue signal chain.

But KVR suits our post-fact world I guess.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:41 pm

noiseboyuk wrote:Oh good grief. 10 years on, and still with the "omnisphere is basically a rompler" crap. It is possible in Omni to have 10 oscillators (no, not samples) in one patch in a total virtual-analogue signal chain.

But KVR suits our post-fact world I guess.

How many presets do you have in Omnisphere that just use the oscillators? And how many do you have that use 10 oscillators? And what is the CPU consumption when it is using 10 oscillators (in a single instance)?

12deadpixels · Post by **12deadpixels** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:42 pm

I have got a gift voucher to use on an online shop and I am looking for advice on Arturia products.

I have an i7 3ghz macbook pro 13" and I have Diva, Repro, Zebra, Bazille (which I want to get rid of), Madrona Aalto, Serum and Komplete Select. I use software instruments mainly for film scoring and sound design and I use Logic Pro X. I don't have FM8.

I am able to get only 1 plugin and I was thinking one of the following:

- Arturia CMI VI
- Arturia DX7
- Arturia Buchla (but I guess I am covered with the wonderful Aalto, which I absolutely adore)
- Arturia Analog Lab 3 (for the value of presets when hunting for an idea)

I am attracted by the CMI VI, but perhaps in the long run it might get under-utilised once the "novelty" period has passed (and also because of its very characteristic sonic-signature). Also from some tests the CMI VI seems more CPU consuming than DX7.

I have demoed the stuff, just I am a bit undecided regarding the long-term value.
Do you have any advice? CPU usage is important too.

Thanks

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:43 pm

fmr wrote:
noiseboyuk wrote:Oh good grief. 10 years on, and still with the "omnisphere is basically a rompler" crap. It is possible in Omni to have 10 oscillators (no, not samples) in one patch in a total virtual-analogue signal chain.

But KVR suits our post-fact world I guess.
How many presets do you have in Omnisphere that just use the oscillators? And how many do you have that use 10 oscillators? And what is the CPU consumption when it is using 10 oscillators?

I don't think anybody's denying that Omnisphere can be a bit of a CPU pig. At least I'm not.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:45 pm

wagtunes wrote:
fmr wrote:
noiseboyuk wrote:Oh good grief. 10 years on, and still with the "omnisphere is basically a rompler" crap. It is possible in Omni to have 10 oscillators (no, not samples) in one patch in a total virtual-analogue signal chain.

But KVR suits our post-fact world I guess.
How many presets do you have in Omnisphere that just use the oscillators? And how many do you have that use 10 oscillators? And what is the CPU consumption when it is using 10 oscillators?
I don't think anybody's denying that Omnisphere can be a bit of a CPU pig. At least I'm not.

Yet, there are people here complaning about DX7 V, and giving Omnisphere as an example

Just out of curiosity - how much CPU (average) would be taken by eight instances of Omnisphere, when playing synthesis presets?

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