Initiative to help the less fortunate obtain legit software and help spread the love. Seriously.
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- Banned
- Topic Starter
- 22457 posts since 5 Sep, 2001
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- KVRAF
- 7903 posts since 24 May, 2009 from Nationalism isn't my thing...
It's a very noble effort to keep the arts alive (and legal).
There just needs to be some way of choosing who should qualify for what, and I do think that something like the One Synth Challenge could be that way.
A person doesn't need to make a masterpiece, but something to demonstrate that a person has a real interest in making music (or sounds, if you're a sound designer) isn't too much to ask, is it?
I was also thinking that it might be nice to get mags involved in this, also. Perhaps featuring a beneficiary of this charity, or something. I'm not sure how exactly.
We don't start painting masterpieces in school with oils and expensive canvases, do we? No, we start with finger paints or macaroni.
I don't see encouraging free- or cheap-ware as being a bad thing for the purposes of choosing someone to benefit from this.
Also, I think that the primary "prize", or whatever you want to call it, should be a host rather than something like Omnisphere (just an example). Again, it doesn't need to be a top-of-the-line version of a host, but something that will host VSTs or AUs, or, if the person REALLY wants it, RTASs (what's the least expensive version of Pro Tools?).
But again, coming up with policies (at least for the group effort) should be first and foremost what need to be decided on.
My three cents (inflation).
There just needs to be some way of choosing who should qualify for what, and I do think that something like the One Synth Challenge could be that way.
A person doesn't need to make a masterpiece, but something to demonstrate that a person has a real interest in making music (or sounds, if you're a sound designer) isn't too much to ask, is it?
I was also thinking that it might be nice to get mags involved in this, also. Perhaps featuring a beneficiary of this charity, or something. I'm not sure how exactly.
We don't start painting masterpieces in school with oils and expensive canvases, do we? No, we start with finger paints or macaroni.
I don't see encouraging free- or cheap-ware as being a bad thing for the purposes of choosing someone to benefit from this.
Also, I think that the primary "prize", or whatever you want to call it, should be a host rather than something like Omnisphere (just an example). Again, it doesn't need to be a top-of-the-line version of a host, but something that will host VSTs or AUs, or, if the person REALLY wants it, RTASs (what's the least expensive version of Pro Tools?).
But again, coming up with policies (at least for the group effort) should be first and foremost what need to be decided on.
My three cents (inflation).
Blue Phase Music
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fateamenabletochange fateamenabletochange https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=8029 - KVRAF
- 3062 posts since 13 Jul, 2003 from outer rim
I have software I don't use, and lite DAW versions I could give away. Must be others similar.
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- KVRist
- 175 posts since 27 Jan, 2012
is there any one who sell " second hand used " Cubase Element 6 with a legal ? [incl. USB-eLicenser]
At least half of the cost , like that.
{I dont know it is legal way or not] If i'm wrong , Warn me please .
At least half of the cost , like that.
{I dont know it is legal way or not] If i'm wrong , Warn me please .
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- KVRist
- 175 posts since 27 Jan, 2012
which softwares?fateamenabletochange wrote:I have software I don't use, and lite DAW versions I could give away. Must be others similar.
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- KVRian
- 667 posts since 4 Jun, 2002
I don't have a lot to say about this but seeing that it seems to be accepted across the board that poor people don't use warez I figure I'll throw in my 2cents (metaphorically speaking).
I'm a dev that worked years ago at a company that makes enterprise management software. For a few years, during a rather aggressive early rollout, I used to travel a lot (a whole lot) worldwide to help with implementations. In many third world countries I would see software shops (sometimes in "malls") that only sold warez, racks and racks of it. They would be full of people browsing and buying. Funny enough I would often see my own companies software on the shelves for a few bucks (when our absolute entry level price in those days was probably about $100K). I guess a lot of people in third world coutries must run big unix boxes in their spare bedrooms?
But, anyway... the thing that I definitely came to realize was that most of these people had no chance what so ever of paying retail for the apps that were on those shelves. They actually don't always have electricity (sporatic at best), their computers are often put together from trown out junk, and virtually every piece of software they run is illegit. So yes, in first world coutries most people that run warez probably could afford to get at least a "lesser" version of the sw they rip-off. That said, while I don't know what the numbers are I would suspect that for the "hidden majority" of warez users it's warez or nothing, period.
That doesn't make it right, but as a dev I can't really see that it's anything out of my pocket if those people use use code I write or not. I know R. Papen once commented in a thread here somewhere that a huge amount of the online registrations that were attempted were from cracks... it would have been interesting to see where those IP addresses were coming from.
I'm a dev that worked years ago at a company that makes enterprise management software. For a few years, during a rather aggressive early rollout, I used to travel a lot (a whole lot) worldwide to help with implementations. In many third world countries I would see software shops (sometimes in "malls") that only sold warez, racks and racks of it. They would be full of people browsing and buying. Funny enough I would often see my own companies software on the shelves for a few bucks (when our absolute entry level price in those days was probably about $100K). I guess a lot of people in third world coutries must run big unix boxes in their spare bedrooms?
But, anyway... the thing that I definitely came to realize was that most of these people had no chance what so ever of paying retail for the apps that were on those shelves. They actually don't always have electricity (sporatic at best), their computers are often put together from trown out junk, and virtually every piece of software they run is illegit. So yes, in first world coutries most people that run warez probably could afford to get at least a "lesser" version of the sw they rip-off. That said, while I don't know what the numbers are I would suspect that for the "hidden majority" of warez users it's warez or nothing, period.
That doesn't make it right, but as a dev I can't really see that it's anything out of my pocket if those people use use code I write or not. I know R. Papen once commented in a thread here somewhere that a huge amount of the online registrations that were attempted were from cracks... it would have been interesting to see where those IP addresses were coming from.
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- KVRian
- 1074 posts since 1 Jan, 2004
Seems like no one liked my idea on page 5 
Anyway,
people who live in "advanced" countries should visit
http://www.kiva.org/
these are the real stories and real ... world
to be honest, you don't have to go that far. For example in Poland, about 50-60 % of people able to work earn something like 300 EUR netto (yea, don't believe when media say that we're the tigers of Europe - sure our % GDP is good but let's not forget that overall our GDP is 10 times lesser than ie. Germany while we have 40 mln people and they have 80 mln people - so per person it's a huge difference !!!). 100-150 EUR rent. Then around 70 EUR for your 15-20 year old car (or about 30 EUR for other communication), 100-150 EUR for food, 20 EUR internet (no matter what people say - if you're looking for job or if you study - you need it) and you're pretty much done.
There is no way that you could save some money for new, legal, dust free Ableton Live DAW. From such perspective I disagree with those saying that if you have a computer then you'll surely have some money for software. I mean you don't need to have audio interface - asio4all is enough. What I mean is - a computer is for education, for entertainment, for work and for music production so it's pretty much a must for people. Even if they earn some shitty money - they'll somehow get it secondhanded for 100 EUR, saving for a year, because computer is really needed. But ie. 300 EUR for a good DAW is definitely out of their range. You don't need to go to ie. Africa - just visit 'poorest' countries in EU and you'll find plenty of such people.
Anyway,
exactly.aciddose wrote: hint: there are places you can get equipment for nothing, but your typical monthly paycheck is about $100-$200 which barely will cover rent unless you room with several other people.
people who live in "advanced" countries should visit
http://www.kiva.org/
these are the real stories and real ... world
to be honest, you don't have to go that far. For example in Poland, about 50-60 % of people able to work earn something like 300 EUR netto (yea, don't believe when media say that we're the tigers of Europe - sure our % GDP is good but let's not forget that overall our GDP is 10 times lesser than ie. Germany while we have 40 mln people and they have 80 mln people - so per person it's a huge difference !!!). 100-150 EUR rent. Then around 70 EUR for your 15-20 year old car (or about 30 EUR for other communication), 100-150 EUR for food, 20 EUR internet (no matter what people say - if you're looking for job or if you study - you need it) and you're pretty much done.
There is no way that you could save some money for new, legal, dust free
Ableton Live DAW. From such perspective I disagree with those saying that if you have a computer then you'll surely have some money for software. I mean you don't need to have audio interface - asio4all is enough. What I mean is - a computer is for education, for entertainment, for work and for music production so it's pretty much a must for people. Even if they earn some shitty money - they'll somehow get it secondhanded for 100 EUR, saving for a year, because computer is really needed. But ie. 300 EUR for a good DAW is definitely out of their range. You don't need to go to ie. Africa - just visit 'poorest' countries in EU and you'll find plenty of such people.Soundbanks: Sylenth, V-Station, Z3TA+, Toxic Biohazard - good EDM Soundbanks
VST Cafe - music production blog
VST Cafe - music production blog
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- KVRAF
- 3499 posts since 9 Oct, 2004 from Poland
There is no such thing as freeware food for starving children in Africa, so IMHO if you want to donate, you will do a far better deed by saving their lives than if you donate for some poor hobbyist musician for him to buy a host...
REAPER is cheap enough and versions up to 1.0 are completely free, also there are few little freeware hosts and you can often get free Cubase versions when you buy hardware.
In other words, try to direct your charity to the most needy.
REAPER is cheap enough and versions up to 1.0 are completely free, also there are few little freeware hosts and you can often get free Cubase versions when you buy hardware.
In other words, try to direct your charity to the most needy.
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Ay caramba !
Ay caramba !
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- KVRist
- 175 posts since 27 Jan, 2012
How can you say that all of them are hobbyist ? I'm not hobbyist but i dont have legal host because of money because i dont have possible .Mutant wrote:if you donate for some poor hobbyist musician for him to buy a host...
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You all say " Reaper " , . If someone get used to be in Cubase , why he/she has to use Reaper with unwilling .
Music is like a love , and your DAW is your darling . Why a music man has to change her/his darling even if it is a forbidden love ?
So i ask you . I dont want to use cracked version but i have no force to buy. You say " Repair " 60 dollar. Cubase Elements 6 also 85 euro (limited) . if there is no force and possible .
You think that only hobbyist cant buy ..
May be a hobbyist will be next Tiesto or Sentenced .
When you started to make music , havent you been hobbyist ?
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fateamenabletochange fateamenabletochange https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=8029
- KVRAF
- 3062 posts since 13 Jul, 2003 from outer rim
yes you are right...suddenly feel a little uncomfortable...caught at, not sure where the expression comes from, 'playing the white man', muskets for the men, beads and blankets for the women, and a quantity of glue for the children.Mutant wrote: try to direct your charity to the most needy.
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- KVRAF
- 12615 posts since 7 Dec, 2004
while you're correct in what you're saying, you also left something out.DreamTrance wrote:You think that only hobbyist cant buy ..
if a professional is not successful enough to buy these things they fall into what you're describing.
what you left out is some people describe professionals in a way that success is inherent to the definition. they would be better off saying "successful professionals".
you can also see a few posts calling for only successful people to receive the prizes, though. so here unsuccessful professionals who you describe and hobbyists which need this help the most could not get it.
we need to be very aware of this kind of thinking and avoid it at all costs.
if such a contest included a requirement to use only light-weight, free software, this might level things off. that would require that the author upload the project files and not the render and it would eliminate a lot of options like using large samples.
Free plug-ins for Windows, MacOS and Linux. Xhip Synthesizer v8.0 and Xhip Effects Bundle v6.7.
The coder's credo: We believe our work is neither clever nor difficult; it is done because we thought it would be easy.
Work less; get more done.
The coder's credo: We believe our work is neither clever nor difficult; it is done because we thought it would be easy.
Work less; get more done.
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- KVRist
- 175 posts since 27 Jan, 2012
I'm not hobbysist but i'm not a professional too .aciddose wrote:while you're correct in what you're saying, you also left something out.DreamTrance wrote:You think that only hobbyist cant buy ..
if a professional is not successful enough to buy these things they fall into what you're describing.
what you left out is some people describe professionals in a way that success is inherent to the definition. they would be better off saying "successful professionals".
you can also see a few posts calling for only successful people to receive the prizes, though. so here unsuccessful professionals who you describe and hobbyists which need this help the most could not get it.
Hobbysist sounds so cheap for a music lover thats why i say that way
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- KVRAF
- 3499 posts since 9 Oct, 2004 from Poland
If you can afford the hardware, there is no way in hell that you can't afford to buy a host.DreamTrance wrote:So i ask you . I dont want to use cracked version but i have no force to buy. You say " Repair " 60 dollar. Cubase Elements 6 also 85 euro (limited) . if there is no force and possible .
You think that only hobbyist cant buy ..
There are many ways to save enough just by altering your lifestyle a little bit.
100 bucks will buy enough rice to feed a small group of children for a year.
I already donated more than that and i can at least think that maybe some lives were saved thanks to that money.
Can you seriously say that donating to some musician to make him stop pirating can compete with that ???
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Ay caramba !
Ay caramba !
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- KVRAF
- 12615 posts since 7 Dec, 2004
one problem with the whole idea is it's very difficult to make it reasonably fair.
it's difficult to pick software as prizes. the most fair way to do this would be based upon the goal.
to help the artists - you'd want to provide what they most desire.
to help software authors - you'd want to specifically select high quality software which has low recognition and sales.
i'm sure the goal is to help the artists. there are a lot of bloggers who try to focus on helping authors already and these blogs are probably more effective than providing that software to more "customers".
to help poor artists it's a lot more expensive and a lot more difficult than just promoting software. as i've already ranted about a lot i think "helping poor artists" and "fighting warez" are going to be somewhat mutually exclusive.
ttoz did say he wants to provide "a few copies" which is nice i suppose, and he appears to be very motivated by the legal issue in this regardless of it's practicality to help artists.
that makes it extremely complicated. i wish i could suggest something in line with his wishes, i just can't think of anything at all. it seems really impossible.
i think it's notable that crackers have the same initiatives with a few minor differences.
it's difficult to pick software as prizes. the most fair way to do this would be based upon the goal.
to help the artists - you'd want to provide what they most desire.
to help software authors - you'd want to specifically select high quality software which has low recognition and sales.
i'm sure the goal is to help the artists. there are a lot of bloggers who try to focus on helping authors already and these blogs are probably more effective than providing that software to more "customers".
to help poor artists it's a lot more expensive and a lot more difficult than just promoting software. as i've already ranted about a lot i think "helping poor artists" and "fighting warez" are going to be somewhat mutually exclusive.
ttoz did say he wants to provide "a few copies" which is nice i suppose, and he appears to be very motivated by the legal issue in this regardless of it's practicality to help artists.
that makes it extremely complicated. i wish i could suggest something in line with his wishes, i just can't think of anything at all. it seems really impossible.
i think it's notable that crackers have the same initiatives with a few minor differences.
Free plug-ins for Windows, MacOS and Linux. Xhip Synthesizer v8.0 and Xhip Effects Bundle v6.7.
The coder's credo: We believe our work is neither clever nor difficult; it is done because we thought it would be easy.
Work less; get more done.
The coder's credo: We believe our work is neither clever nor difficult; it is done because we thought it would be easy.
Work less; get more done.
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- KVRian
- 1392 posts since 1 May, 2010
Well let's just start with what we can do instead of complaining. Last week i donated live lite to one of the people in kvr. Why not do stuff like that? I know a lot of us have live lite from one of our hardware purchase, and despite live lite is limited it's still quite possible to make songs with 8 ableton instrument and 4 external vst.
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