[free-available] New DSPplug Mark3

[Guenon]

It's not called rescue, and it's not called MK.

The title of the launch video, on your Youtube channel, is literally "Rescue Mark3 Released"

[Halonmusic]

I don't think Bootsy would approve of this tbh

[Teksonik]

I read the original post before it got edited. In no way did I have the impression that he is actually cloning Rescue MK2 or is collaborating with Herbert on it..

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I think the perception and reception of this thread and product is tainted by expectations regarding its author. And I am not sure that's really fair.

I don't have anything against the guy. I just wanted to caution him about the "fair game" attitude which goes counter to what KVR stands for.....

[Hink]

It's not called rescue, and it's not called MK.

The title of the launch video, on your Youtube channel, is literally "Rescue Mark3 Released"

but the video did say exactly what Guenon posted so I removed the video (you can replace it with one that does not have the name of another product), you added a disclaimer in the op but honestly, tread lightly

[kingozrecords]

It's not called rescue, and it's not called MK.

The title of the launch video, on your Youtube channel, is literally "Rescue Mark3 Released"

I changed the title, it's thoughtful of you to mention it, I appreciate you explaining why. I would've missed it.

made a new version that works better. And now you'll be pleased to see that I've made it entirely original. I'd just needed something that worked similarly, and I was being nice. Regardless of there being original parts underneath I understand that the superficial frontend means a lot to people.

Therefore I re-engineered the product to work as I wanted it to without sharing the same features, now having features just like many mid side processors have.

It took 6 hours of testing, and I created a mono or stereo detector unit, changing the way that the haas unit operates dependant on that. You'll notice that the left to right hangs less.

The thread title states that Mark 3 is an

un-official rescue Mk2 port

. Thats mis-leading imho (and obviously click-bait)

If clicking means a nice 64 bit alternative I guess. If click bait is negative and you want to be negative in My post, I guess that speaks for itself does it not?

It's not called rescue, and it's not called MK.

The title of the launch video, on your Youtube channel, is literally "Rescue Mark3 Released"

but the video did say exactly what Guenon posted so I removed the video (you can replace it with one that does not have the name of another product), you added a disclaimer in the op but honestly, tread lightly

Yes, I understand; and good feelings are the intention. I appreciate the kindness kvraudio shows Me, and I try to always make things right. I renamed the video and will make a new version with the new design. It's now entirely original.

It's unfortunate when a great product gets discontinued, it's just as hard to bring a facsimile into the fray also. But I hope My hard work is appreciated. I can't make friends out of everyone, but My hard working ethic is something which people can respect. That means alot to Me.

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Download here
https://www.kvraudio.com/product/dspplu ... by-dspplug

[Guenon]

I re-created this so that it's entirely original and cannot be called a port or a re-creation, just a nice alternative, a close facsimile which will achieve the same end.

Where does one enable the saturation functionality on this plugin that resembles the original, if it's a close facsimile and will achieve the same end? That was the big one in the original plugin, and I was going to really give this a go and a/b some drum tracks through this one, as that kind of material has always been a great use for the original - but at the moment I'm not even able to compare, as it isn't at all obvious where to turn that function on.

Mark3 also does funny things to the stereo image right from the get go, when inserted on a channel. It makes the stereo image lean to the left, and the actual resulting left channel seems to mostly contain the original mid (?) [edit, had to check how much other information there is than the mid, turns out there is plenty of it, although in any case the resulting left channel does have more in common with the original mid than the original left - it's just that the following slapback is throwing my senses: ] and the resulting right channel seems to contain a short slapback delay - also, it doesn't merely delay the signal by a short amount like in a Haas effect, but it introduces an actual doubling. Yes, in the right channel only. If one tries to get rid of that, by reducing "width" or turning down the "side" component, the original stereo image is still knackered.

All in all: it was totally possible to use the original plugin (the one that Mark3 is "a close facsimile" of and "will achieve the same end") even on the master bus for subtle added color. How does one use this one on the master like that? The original also didn't/doesn't do destructive stuff to the stereo image like this, just by inserting it.

I didn't find any means to use this one for purposes like described above, in any way that didn't destroy the mix in some manner, and the only way to prevent it from doing that was to bypass the whole plugin.

[crickey13]

The thing is Bootsy hasn't ruled out the possibility of updating any of his "discontinued" projects in an indeterminate future.

TesslaSE mkII wasn't meant to happen, but it did, so all of the "discontinued" plugins remain in the discontinued category until they aren't.

Bootsy isn't dead or retired, so passing this off as some sort of continuation of the original concept without the creator's explicit consent feels a bit shady.

Clickbait-y as it may seem, you easily could've marketed it as a design inspired by the original Rescue, the marketing strategy you've adopted feels very Behringeresque and in-your-face and unless your design closely follows the original in sonic characteristics, you're likely to garner negative attention only.

[Guenon]

Bootsy isn't dead or retired, so passing this off as some sort of continuation of the original concept without the creator's explicit consent feels a bit shady.

After testing the plugin for a good while it seems that it isn't an actual continuation at all, and it can't do the things the original was so highly valued for. I don't mean it does said things badly, I mean it seems to completely lack comparable functionality. Tested it on drums, electric pianos, whole mixes on the master bus, tried to make it not do invasive things to the stereo image in one way or another, tried to get that sweet saturation (of the original) going in different contexts - no dice.

[crickey13]

Yeah, I've read your analysis. I really doubt it sounds like a continuation or even like a remote approximation thereof, it sure is marketed like one though.

I don't know, the whole situation just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I don't want to dishearten people just starting out and paying respect to their legends or whatever, but it's such a cheesy way of doing things.

The whole enchilada smacks of a dilletante project which is why I'm trying not to read too much of an ill intent into the whole situation. That being said, a crappy practice is a crappy practice and should not be encouraged.

But who knows, maybe the shitstorm will prompt Bootsy to update Rescue, so something good could still potentially come of it, that'd be kinda cool.

[whyterabbyt]

I'd suggest renaming it completely to avoid any passing off regarding Bootsie's product.

Here are a few synonyms for 'rescue' as a suggestion, courtesy of poogle.

rescue verb save (someone) from a dangerous or difficult situation.

Similar
save
save from danger
save the life of
come to the aid of
set free
free
release
liberate
extricate
get someone out
deliver
redeem
ransom
emancipate
relieve
bail someone out
bring someone off
save someone's bacon
save someone's neck
save someone's skin

( Personally I vote for calling it 'bring someone off mark 1' )

[kingozrecords]

Leaning, ok. I'll look into that. It's less destructive technically, but delay feedback sounds so "pure", there's no denying that. And yeah, maybe he's not entirely retired, I make something to be useful; and if I make money from it, it'd have to be something totally original. That's really all I want to say on that from hereon in.

There are many mark products and mk is a stylized symbol. People overthink things and I don't care to.

other "marked products"
https://www.kvraudio.com/marketplace/ma ... -xln-audio
https://www.kvraudio.com/marketplace/ma ... y-overloud
https://www.kvraudio.com/product/mrray73_mark_ii_by_gsi
https://www.kvraudio.com/product/lm_4_m ... _steinberg
https://www.kvraudio.com/product/house- ... diokit-pro
https://www.kvraudio.com/product/mark-s ... y-overloud
https://www.kvraudio.com/product/mark-s ... y-overloud
https://www.kvraudio.com/product/gs-201-mark-ii-by-gsi

Robert is a common name, just because others have it - does not mean I'd change it.

https://www.kvraudio.com/plugins/query-mk/best-match

I'll figure out some pleasing mods to make it sound nice. Thanks for kindness and constructive feedback.

I'd consider renaming it marky mark, or even markier mark, perhaps too markiest; markiest mark?

edit: updated to version 1.8 which has full automation support and the phase cancellation is fairly good. More technology would be required to level it even further. That involves some hefty original code. How do you do that and still support true stereo.

Full source is now available, many coding credits can be found on the product page. Some code examples will be replaced shortly such as the rms detection. I'll make My own detection from scratch that's sample accurate so to avoid there being overs, the dBFS limiter already does this fine however, but again the rms will be revised. I'll make a new custom gate for the titan vocal gate as well.

Download sources:
psd: https://dspplug.com/?download=1&kcccount=580
fsm (x64): https://dspplug.com/?download=1&kcccoun ... -9-x64.fsm
png bg: https://dspplug.com/?download=1&kcccoun ... 20copy.png

btw, one great feature about the Voxengo plug-ins is that you can change the theme background image. I can add that functionality so that users can make their own skin.

[kingozrecords]

Updated to version 1.9. I apologize that this update was not timelier. My computer's hardware had a problem and I'd used system restore. Next My installation went corrupt afterwards. I reinstalled but had all files backed up.

Here's Me testing it:


get version 1.9 here:
https://www.kvraudio.com/product/dspplu ... by-dspplug

Thanks to all for their patience with the development of this software. It's very handy, especially given that the newer steinberg software only accepts vst3, and many daw's only x64.

Edit: here's Me using it live, singing through it, mixing, mastering with it.


Here is version 2.0 being tested: