KVR Audio

sacer · Post by **sacer** » Mon Nov 29, 2021 11:46 am

Markus Krause wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 8:25 am The audio engines of JunoX and Vanguard were developed by me. ReFX licensed them.
If you are looking for the sound of JunoX or Vanguard I receommend that you check our Tone2 Icarus2. It can replace those plugins very well and includes also all the waveforms.

A preset converter would be nice

syntonica · Post by **syntonica** » Mon Nov 29, 2021 5:50 pm

I love Vanguard. For its time, 20-ish years ago, it sounded amazing! There are things I still like about it. Except that awful reverb. ( Sorry, Markus... The algorithm is just old and too CPU-cheap.

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Since it came out, computers are multitudes faster. A single core on the M1 chip is faster than my whole MacBookb Pro. Heck, my new iPad Mini is like 2.5x faster than the MBP. Back then, programming a VST was more about using cheap algorithms and stupid processor tricks to squeeze every ounce of performances from weak CPUs. Now, you can download a dozen free VSTs that offer similar quality sound and features and just sip CPU.

The only thing that I can see that it has anymore that modern VSTs may lack is the simplicity of use. Everything is right there in front of my face. The reFX plugins were so quick, simple and fun to use. They just aren't necessarily the best sounding anymore.

Anyway, I will miss my old reFX plugins, but I have similar or better sounding plugins now.

Markus Krause · Post by **Markus Krause** » Mon Nov 29, 2021 6:02 pm

I absolutely agree with the reverb. It was really ugly and I also hated it.

Funny fact is that this was the only part of the audio-engine that was coded by reFX/Michael.

If there is demand I can code a synth that is patch-compatible with Vanguard.

cryophonik · Post by **cryophonik** » Mon Nov 29, 2021 6:05 pm

Markus Krause wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 6:02 pm If there is demand I can code a synth that is patch-compatible with Vanguard.

OK, I demand it.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon Nov 29, 2021 6:10 pm

Markus Krause wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 6:02 pm If there is demand I can code a synth that is patch-compatible with Vanguard.

Will it be sound compatible too?

I never owned Vanguard, but, I'm a bit wondering what people are looking for here. A synth which sounds like it? A modern synth which can load the patches, but will sound quite different?

AnX · Post by **AnX** » Mon Nov 29, 2021 6:27 pm

Definitely vapourware, no money in it for refx

Letting users make their own sounds? No way Pedro!

sacer · Post by **sacer** » Mon Nov 29, 2021 6:37 pm

Markus Krause wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 6:02 pm
I absolutely agree with the reverb. It was really ugly and I also hated it.
Funny fact is that this was the only part of the audio-engine that was coded by reFX/Michael.

If there is demand I can code a synth that is patch-compatible with Vanguard.

A preset converter would be bether, because than we can tune up these sounds in Icarus

Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Mon Nov 29, 2021 7:03 pm

Markus Krause wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 6:02 pm
I absolutely agree with the reverb. It was really ugly and I also hated it.
Funny fact is that this was the only part of the audio-engine that was coded by reFX/Michael.

If there is demand I can code a synth that is patch-compatible with Vanguard.

demand here too

elv · Post by **elv** » Mon Nov 29, 2021 7:37 pm

Yes please Markus

Leichenschmaus · Post by **Leichenschmaus** » Mon Nov 29, 2021 7:40 pm

yes please!!!

dj.anti.matter · Post by **dj.anti.matter** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:12 pm

JonSolo wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 1:27 am So they told that to you twice? (a year ago, and then in July)

What name is on the support ticket? This is interesting (cause I love Vanguard).

The guy's name was Adam.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cuNhSE ... sp=sharing

dj.anti.matter · Post by **dj.anti.matter** » Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:15 pm

Markus Krause wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 6:02 pm
I absolutely agree with the reverb. It was really ugly and I also hated it.
Funny fact is that this was the only part of the audio-engine that was coded by reFX/Michael.

If there is demand I can code a synth that is patch-compatible with Vanguard.

I would buy it in a second! I have over 200 patches I made in Vanguard I would love to be able to use again.

HunterKiller · Post by **HunterKiller** » Wed Dec 01, 2021 2:57 pm

sacer wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 6:37 pm A preset converter would be better, because than we can tune up these sounds in Icarus

+7 for this idea

ztrauq · Post by **ztrauq** » Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:20 am

dj.anti.matter wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:15 pm
Markus Krause wrote: Mon Nov 29, 2021 6:02 pm
I absolutely agree with the reverb. It was really ugly and I also hated it.
Funny fact is that this was the only part of the audio-engine that was coded by reFX/Michael.

If there is demand I can code a synth that is patch-compatible with Vanguard.
I would buy it in a second! I have over 200 patches I made in Vanguard I would love to be able to use again.

Definitely echo this, I have banks of custom Vanguard patches just waiting to be used again

Preset converter for Icarus would be awesome too...

sacer · Post by **sacer** » Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:37 am

I think a preset converter and some modifications on Icarus are bether than a new synth. I bet a lot of vanguard users who have lots of expansions would migrate to Icarus and can bring this sounds with this power synth into new dimensions. Btw the import of Juno presets would also be very cool.

reFX Vanguard 2?