KVR Audio

Ogopogo · Post by **Ogopogo** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 11:59 am

You just replied to two different posters who are not the thread starter as if they were after calling the thread starter stupid.

I can't change the name of the thread, it's not mine. Penguinfromthedeep didn't do the test either. Your criticism of the test makes no sense either. There are no random bits of data, there are two different synths. The point to see if you can tell them apart or not...

Is this a form of trolling where you call people stupid while acting as stupid as possible?

aciddose wrote:
penguinfromdeep wrote:What is your guess aciddose?
My best guess is that your methods here are so far from scientific that it makes me laugh.

What are you attempting to prove? What this "test" proves is that given two entirely random bits of data, it isn't possible to accurately identify one or the other.

It's random chance.

All you've done is used your outstanding brilliance to reproduce a coin flip in an amazingly obtuse way.

aciddose wrote:What do you mean no? I'm telling you, you look stupid.

Rename the thread or continue to look this way.

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:01 pm

aciddose wrote:

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Actually the bias is so high here it's obvious which is which so this isn't really equivalent at all.

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:02 pm

Ogopogo wrote:You just replied to two different posters who are not the thread starter as if they were after calling the thread starter stupid.

Is this a form of trolling where you call people stupid while acting as stupid as possible?

It seems I don't need to actually call anyone anything.

Of course I didn't. People seem to demonstrate it all on their own just fine.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:04 pm

What never ceases to amaze me is the number of douche bags this planet has managed to spawn.

EnGee · Post by **EnGee** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:06 pm

Please Moderator don't lock this thread before the OP reveals the results

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:08 pm

Do you want a real test?

This one is based upon facts, objective, no subjectivity. Humans are not used to measure anything. Opinion does not enter into this equation.

Diva does not account for the non-zero impedance of capacitors;
Diva is incapable of emulating feed-through and leakage;
Therefore, Diva is not a model of an electronic circuit and is trivially demonstrated to be distinct.

Now I know you people are going to want to flap your hands in the air and cry about "how distinct", but that is subjective unless you use a rule that is not based upon human opinion.

The facts are in, they're not the same. They're not even comparable. We're not measuring "how different" they are, there are simple booleans values involved here.

Diva does not have any capability to reproduce effects produced by an electronic circuit.

Case closed.

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:09 pm

If you want to create a thread called "let's all share our subjective opinions about Diva", that's fine. I won't object. Just cut the bullshit.

Stop pretending you know what you're doing or know what you're dealing with. You clearly don't.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:15 pm

I can only suggest that the OP announces the results as quick as possible, because this topic will be locked very soon.

Ogopogo · Post by **Ogopogo** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:17 pm

aciddose wrote:
aciddose wrote:

jtfyesui6fuf

tjfhdrthtyjd

Actually the bias is so high here it's obvious which is which so this isn't really equivalent at all.

wut? You started off by claiming it's an impossible test, now your saying it's obvious?

aciddose wrote:It seems I don't need to actually call anyone anything.

Of course I didn't. People seem to demonstrate it all on their own just fine.

Yeah, by rambling incoherently, raging and throwing around insults unprovoked, completely contradicting things they said two posts earlier, and failing to provide any sort of explanation when questioned.

I'm just gonna put you on ignore bud, and maybe you should back away from the keyboard until whatever it is wears off.

Edit. pls don't lock the thread. I'm done, for one.

EnGee · Post by **EnGee** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:21 pm

But aciddose, the OP didn't pretend it is a scientific test. It is yes, mostly an artistic point of view. In Arts and Music the logic is not the most dominant thing. Artists mostly do things by feelings.

I don't know, it is for me like there is a legend from Greek mythology vs a documentary about Life in earth. Both are necessary IMO

Mutant · Post by **Mutant** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:23 pm

OK everyone calm down now.

You don't really need to reply to each other.
Also IBTL.

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:24 pm

Ogopogo wrote:wut? You started off by claiming it's an impossible test, now your saying it's obvious?

Okay I'm not going to respond to you anymore because it hurts my soul to do so.

However in this case I'll simply point out that I started off by claiming my example was similar to noise in the same way the audio clips and a "listening A/B test" without any knowledge on the part of the test subject is.

I was incorrect, my example is entirely valid and you can very reliably identify whether I used left or right hand with information entirely provided by my explanation of the test. There are error bounds of course, but such a process can be accomplished in an entirely objective manner.

So I was wrong, my quick example was accidentally objective.

Here is a better example:

Which is better:

Pudding
Cake

This is equivalent in its level of stupidity to this thread.

Ogopogo · Post by **Ogopogo** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:26 pm

EnGee wrote:OP didn't pretend it is a scientific test. It is yes, mostly an artistic point of view. In Arts and Music the logic is not the most dominant thing. Artists mostly do things by feelings.

Actually I think it is a scientific test, it just deals with perception. "Which would you use to make music with?" is a question about artistic preferences. "Can you identify which one of these is which?" not so much.

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:27 pm

Again with the personal attacks. Slow clap.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_baculum
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

EnGee · Post by **EnGee** » Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:36 pm

Ogopogo wrote:
EnGee wrote:OP didn't pretend it is a scientific test. It is yes, mostly an artistic point of view. In Arts and Music the logic is not the most dominant thing. Artists mostly do things by feelings.
Actually I think it is a scientific test, it just deals with perception. "Which would you use to make music with?" is a question about artistic preferences. "Can you identify which one of these is which?" not so much.

Is this your opinion? or the OP's or what?

How it is a scientific test? What the machines/tools she/he used to measure the sound, frequency ..etc?
Scientific? Show me numbers then!

Diva vs Analogue - a real world test