Is talent born or created with hard work and practice

[Hink]

no sir imo you are completely wrong...two people can share the same opinion but have different perspectives on how it affects them and how they manage.

Is that so? Good luck convincing the gene researchers to take the perspective of your family anecdotes into account in their next articles, then

I dont need luck, I am in an amazing point in my life...the last year has been about reflection and such. You have some sort of belief that you have any ability to know all about me (you obviously missed my point which is fair). You have theories, I have direct evidence, undeniable evidence into my 7th decade on this earth to look at and show my success. You have words on the internet you choose to judge by, I am not sure I would speak for scientists when your evaluations are based on your perception of words you may not have completely read or understood that you read on the internet in a music forum. That seems a bit less empirical than my experience and those who were around sharing my experience might be

I am sitting here laughing tbh because of the meeting I just left exactly all about this very thing, met with my lawyer and Holly today (Holly was on zoom). Boy did I get a clear picture, 6 years ago this very day was the day I found out I was finally moving to Maine. We know what happened, I made it even when with what would seem surmountable devastation occurred. Then pissants on the internet are gonna try and make me think less of what I did? I am not that weak sir.

Whether you like it or not I exceeded anything I thought possible after that terrible day, I grew, am still growing and that's what matters. I will continue to shout it from the rooftops, because I deserve to take pride in my accomplishments and others might see hope as a result. And I am going to take credit where credit is due, I wasnt born with this ability...it developed and when push came to shove, I nailed it, no matter what anyone else says. I have no doubt in my mind that that skill came from nurture, not nature.

I am really not sure why this bothers you so much, but dont worry about me sir...I am obviously not needing your advice, I take my advice from people who demonstrate they care about me, people who I care about people and who dont use gaslighting of others to pump their ego.

[cryophonik]

With that said I dont think it unreasonable for me to have quite a different perspective on genetics,

It is a privilege of human beings to have different opinions about genes, but it is not a privilege of the genes to take them into consideration.

I said different perspective sir, not opinion

There is one perspective to genes, that of hard science. A different perspective is but an opinion.

While I agree with that, let’s not pretend that science is done with this very complex topic. There’s a ton we don’t know. Every scientist I’ve ever heard talk on this topic has basically said that the make up of an organism is always part genetics, part nurture (if you’re an organism that’s nurtured in some way) and even genetics can express themselves differently due to environmental factors. So, it’s a big mess. We’re all the result of a big mess. If you think about it, that really makes sense.

As a scientist who does some limited work with genetics (but not with humans), I would agree with this.

[vurt]

are you crossbreeding monkeys and fish?

[Spin Boyz]

Big mess? I totally agree. Just turn on the TV or go to your favorite social media site.

[cryophonik]

are you crossbreeding monkeys and fish?

Monstrous sized apes and Loch Ness monsters, actually.

[vurt]

are you crossbreeding monkeys and fish?

Monstrous sized apes and Loch Ness monsters, actually.

ah battle cruiser class chimera

[cryophonik]

are you crossbreeding monkeys and fish?

Monstrous sized apes and Loch Ness monsters, actually.

ah battle cruiser class chimera

The real test will be to determine if it has any talent, but we'll need a bigger piano.

[Bulbizarre]

How I see "talent" is just the approach you have to music, how you percieve the world or things and how you would like the sounds to turn out. So in fact it is more about your sensitivity and perhaps "observer" nature that you can get unique results that are sometimes considered to be talent. As for ability to hear the tune and such, it is more or less innate, some people have trouble to distinguish chords or even minor chords from major chords. That doesn't prevent anyone from making music ofc. In the end it's about you and the instrument/computer.

[vurt]

are you crossbreeding monkeys and fish?

Monstrous sized apes and Loch Ness monsters, actually.

ah battle cruiser class chimera

The real test will be to determine if it has any talent, but we'll need a bigger piano.

[Aloysius]

People thought I was good at Art when I was a kid.
There was a guy up the road and I was much better than him. Everybody said it.
The difference between me and the guy up the road was that I had some natural ability but he had the passion to turn his scribbles into a full time career as an Artist.
I have zero interest in Art these days. I'm atrocious at drawing. I have no aptitude for it at all now.

It was a passing phase for me. Kept me entertained for a little while and not much else.

The real 'talent' is in the perseverance, as far as I can make out.

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

no sir imo you are completely wrong...two people can share the same opinion but have different perspectives on how it affects them and how they manage.

Is that so? Good luck convincing the gene researchers to take the perspective of your family anecdotes into account in their next articles, then

I dont need luck, I am in an amazing point in my life...the last year has been about reflection and such. You have some sort of belief that you have any ability to know all about me (you obviously missed my point which is fair). You have theories, I have direct evidence, undeniable evidence into my 7th decade on this earth to look at and show my success. You have words on the internet you choose to judge by, I am not sure I would speak for scientists when your evaluations are based on your perception of words you may not have completely read or understood that you read on the internet in a music forum. That seems a bit less empirical than my experience and those who were around sharing my experience might be

I am sitting here laughing tbh because of the meeting I just left exactly all about this very thing, met with my lawyer and Holly today (Holly was on zoom). Boy did I get a clear picture, 6 years ago this very day was the day I found out I was finally moving to Maine. We know what happened, I made it even when with what would seem surmountable devastation occurred. Then pissants on the internet are gonna try and make me think less of what I did? I am not that weak sir.

Whether you like it or not I exceeded anything I thought possible after that terrible day, I grew, am still growing and that's what matters. I will continue to shout it from the rooftops, because I deserve to take pride in my accomplishments and others might see hope as a result. And I am going to take credit where credit is due, I wasnt born with this ability...it developed and when push came to shove, I nailed it, no matter what anyone else says. I have no doubt in my mind that that skill came from nurture, not nature.

I am really not sure why this bothers you so much, but dont worry about me sir...I am obviously not needing your advice, I take my advice from people who demonstrate they care about me, people who I care about people and who dont use gaslighting of others to pump their ego.

What has this to do with me saying that personal anecdotes are worth nothing to the gene researcher as to the nature/nurture question? How did my short answer came to be this textwall about you? And if you think you have evidence from your life that overrules gene research, well, you are free to believe it, but I wouldn’t recommend submitting an article for Nature & Science about it. You are free to try and surprise me tho.

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

let’s not pretend that science is done with this very complex topic.

Let’s not pretend science is done with any complex topic. However, this does not address my point that the thread question is better left to gene researchers, and that none of them can use people’s personal anecdotes to solve the question. In other words, this thread question is for hard scientist to solve or discuss, not random KVR members making sweeping generalizations from personal story telling.

[vurt]

let’s not pretend that science is done with this very complex topic.

Lets not pretend science is done with any complex topic. However, this is not addressing my point that the thread question is better left to gene researchers, and that none of them can use people’s personal anecdotes to solve the question. In other words, this thread question is for hard scientist to solve or discuss, not random KVR members making sweeping generalizations from personal story telling.

you don't get to decide what we can discuss

[TribeOfHǫfuð]

let’s not pretend that science is done with this very complex topic.

Lets not pretend science is done with any complex topic. However, this is not addressing my point that the thread question is better left to gene researchers, and that none of them can use people’s personal anecdotes to solve the question. In other words, this thread question is for hard scientist to solve or discuss, not random KVR members making sweeping generalizations from personal story telling.

you don't get to decide what we can discuss

Where did I forbid the discussion? What I am saying is that you won’t find any answers in this thread about such a hard science topic. Discuss all you like tho. Reinvent the A-bomb from personal anecdotes and paper clips if you like and think you can make it. I’ll watch from the sidelines like an engaged sport commentator.

[vurt]

answers come from all directions

the genetics might be science, but that isn't all that is in play here.
so yes, anecdotes and such while not "proving" (what's to prove, it's a discussion) anything, do offer insights and possibilities, the more data accrued.

there are other aspects beyond science and genetics.