Best reverb, for all jobs? (ongoing process)

[codec_spurt]

@oldschoolverb: I like it.

I love it!

It makes a really good 'mastering reverb' imho, because it is just so, I don't know, transparent? Uncoloured? It sits on top of the sound giving it a sheen rather than colouring it from the inside like a good verb should do on a track or instrument.

Lots of easy to understand controls, but not too many. Severely under rated coz it's free. Aleksey is a real dsp genius, but I think he's got the hots more for compressors and eqs.

Try out that KR space thing! I'd be interested to hear what you think.

[stian]

Someone mis-quoted me here.

I'm sorry about that and I just corrected the original post.

Best,
Stian

[hibidy]

It's cool, but just wanted you to know it wasn't me who said that.

[hibidy]

Well, console yourself with the bucks saved.

And not a buck was given that day!

Here are some nice little freebies to warm your little cockles:

http://www.kresearch.com/index.php?p=KRFree

I don't have an account and I'm not sure I want to make one Will think about it more tomorrow (reverbed out today)

[codec_spurt]

Well, console yourself with the bucks saved.

And not a buck was given that day!

Here are some nice little freebies to warm your little cockles:

http://www.kresearch.com/index.php?p=KRFree

I don't have an account and I'm not sure I want to make one Will think about it more tomorrow (reverbed out today)

It's ok good buddy.

I may even take a stroll down that lane myself.

What with KR-Reverb and MVerb and OldSkoolVerb, I would bet you could pretty much do anything, but we are all looking for the next holy grail.

I'm prepared to start a competition to see if anyone can tell those three free 'verbs matched against anything else. I mean Lexicon, Valhalla, 2CAudio...


I bet that there is no one that can. Digital Reverbs have reached that point.

You can put in whatever reverb you want, doesn't have to be Lexicon. But you will be limited to three.

A third party can select the source files to compare.

This is what you are up against:

KR-Reverb
MVerb
OldSkoolVerb


Your objective will be to provide three reverbs (any reverb in the world) and make the source files sound better than these three.

In fact, you can even provide your own source files. And I bet they can still be matched.

I doubt very much any one from Waves, or Valhalla or 2CAudio or sknote would want to get involved.

This proves a point about reverb.

About it being more about the brand and the identity. The functions coming next. Then the sound.


That is a fairly strict but yet flexible criteria I have given. It is an informal exercise.

Somehow, I can't see anyone in the whole reverb world taking this up.

And if they say it don't matter, then why should it matter what reverbs we use?


Provide your own source files. Then we will compare.

Any major reverb manufacturers up for it?

[stian]

Provide your own source files. Then we will compare.
Any major reverb manufacturers up for it?

There are definitely huge differences between reverb algorithms. One of the easiest ways to tell the difference is by processing a dirac impulse with the reverb set to all wet. Make sure to normalize the output afterwards. This is analog to measuring the impulse response of the algorithm. Here's a dirac impulse for testing: http://acondigital.com/audio/dirac_m.flac

I've done the steps above with Acon Digital Verberate and the small hall preset. Here's the resulting file: http://acondigital.com/audio/verberate_small_hall.flac

Now you can compare that to a measurement of a real room and hear (or see in a wave editor) if you can notice any difference. Please feel free to try the same with other algorithmic reverbs...

Best,
Stian

[Uncle E]

It makes a really good 'mastering reverb' imho, because it is just so, I don't know, transparent? Uncoloured? It sits on top of the sound giving it a sheen rather than colouring it from the inside like a good verb should do on a track or instrument.

That's interesting. Yes, qualities you don't want when mixing yet I can understand what you mean about them working for mastering. I'm still not going to do it but I can imagine other people doing it well.

[Uncle E]

Your objective will be to provide three reverbs (any reverb in the world) and make the source files sound better than these three.

It seems to me that hibidy can upload some examples of what he wants to hear, you can do you best to match them using whatever you like, and then we'll all listen for how close you get. Are you open to that?

[hibidy]

I have no idea how to do that. The "examples" are in my head.

[Uncle E]

I have no idea how to do that. The "examples" are in my head.

Maybe just make some nice files with HOFA and see if he can match them.

[hibidy]

I have no idea how to do that. The "examples" are in my head.

Maybe just make some nice files with HOFA and see if he can match them.

I can't. The demo is over.

[hibidy]

Ah, I think I found a workaround maybe for the live convo verb crashing. Good news because once it works, it really sounds good. I think I said earlier that I didn't like it but I think the crashes are why

Anyways, I'm verbed out I'm tired of testing, crashing, comparing, etc etc

Not that I don't want the thread to continue, but I'm worn out

[Hermetech Mastering]

Can count the times I've used reverb in mastering on the fingers of one hand...

Yes, algorithms all sound very different, so even if you could match similar settings, they would still sound very different. As to which you prefer, it's completely subjective.

[codec_spurt]

Provide your own source files. Then we will compare.
Any major reverb manufacturers up for it?

There are definitely huge differences between reverb algorithms. One of the easiest ways to tell the difference is by processing a dirac impulse with the reverb set to all wet. Make sure to normalize the output afterwards. This is analog to measuring the impulse response of the algorithm. Here's a dirac impulse for testing: http://acondigital.com/audio/dirac_m.flac

I've done the steps above with Acon Digital Verberate and the small hall preset. Here's the resulting file: http://acondigital.com/audio/verberate_small_hall.flac

Now you can compare that to a measurement of a real room and hear (or see in a wave editor) if you can notice any difference. Please feel free to try the same with other algorithmic reverbs...

Best,
Stian

Thanks for that. It is great information.

[codec_spurt]

Ah, I think I found a workaround maybe for the live convo verb crashing. Good news because once it works, it really sounds good. I think I said earlier that I didn't like it but I think the crashes are why

Anyways, I'm verbed out I'm tired of testing, crashing, comparing, etc etc

Not that I don't want the thread to continue, but I'm worn out

Let's all stop picking on and bullying hibidy now.

He became the poster boy for a new generation of space-time algorithms, and he didn't like it. Like Elvis!

He needs time. And space.

I can't help feeling we have put our own greatest hopes and dreams, and even fears into his quest. Projected as a summer sun on a cloudy day.

We'll give him time to rest. None of us should feel sorry for him, he has a better Reverb arsenal than the next man. He bit off more than he could chew, but who amongst us has not made that fatal mistake in the pursuit of higher sonic excellence? I know I have.


Alas, poor Hibidy, I knew him well!