Bitwig

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Sat Apr 18, 2020 7:45 pm

I'm not sure Bitwig was ever aimed at the 'average DAW user' but some people seem to want it to be more 'middle ground' and some don't.

The Bitwig Developers say (on the website) its 'dynamic software for creating and performing your musical ideas in the studio and on stage with super-fast workflow for sound design, recording, live performance'
- OK, bit of hyperbole, but they have a vision for their software that may differ from what some people want (or need) and those people may go elsewhere, but others may join the adventure!

Jonathan Shepherd · Post by **Jonathan Shepherd** » Sat Apr 18, 2020 7:53 pm

Jonathan Shepherd wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:37 pm
stamp wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 2:29 pm
Jonathan Shepherd wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 2:18 pm Hi. I tried to install the beta and couldn't find any offline option, so I went and uninstalled both 3.13 and 3.2, thinking a fresh beta reinstall would work. But now neither version will install with an offline option. Also after reinstalling 3.13 it reverted to 8 track. What is this new guy here screwing up? Thanks---
You have to be online the first time you use a fresh beta install. It has to check if your upgrade plan is active. No way around it.
Regarding your other issue I have no clue.
Ah ok. That kinda sucks but oh well. As for the 3.13 install not giving me an offline option, guess I'll try to find any loose files causing trouble? Thanks for your help-

So I had to wipe out my old account, and do the activation request and activation routine, even though I'm still on the same computer as when I first bought it. The full version works fine now. Is this standard or a bug?

PS: Enjoy your beta, onliners! And I'll see you on the other side...

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Sat Apr 18, 2020 7:57 pm

operator wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 4:49 pmDamn I feel with you, that you're dissapointed by pre-buying until 2021.

Oh, I don't mind the money. I spend more monthly buying music via bandcamp.com, not to mention plugins... I only mentioned that to underline my commitment & faith in Bitwig, as if it wasn't obvious enough from my posts before yesterday

But this update is the straw that broke the camel's back. We've been promised updates to workflow and traditional DAW features when 3.0 was released. 3.1 didn't really deliver, 3.2 even less so. And one has to be dissapointed seeing that they had time to add such cosmetic stuff like devices fading gently when they're scrolled out of view or little arrows in Inspector indicating that there's more stuff below what's visible; instead of for example adding keyboard shortcuts for auditioning notes, switching between different audio editing modes (stretch, onsets, etc.) or adjusting velocity of midi notes (but we have one for coloring by velocity

). I mean it can't be THAT difficult, right?

I mean, one glance on Ableton's beta forum and user's request should give them clue what to focus on - comping, alias clips, pitch correction. Add those, and they'd double or triple the user base in few weeks.

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Sat Apr 18, 2020 8:06 pm

antic604 wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 7:57 pm We've been promised updates to workflow and traditional DAW features when 3.0 was released.

Who? Where? Pictures or It didn’t happen...

I think these are just little ‘give them something whilst they wait’ updates... comping and ghost clips will get here eventually, have some faith

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Sat Apr 18, 2020 9:16 pm

SLiC wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 8:06 pm
antic604 wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 7:57 pm We've been promised updates to workflow and traditional DAW features when 3.0 was released.
Who? Where? Pictures or It didn’t happen...

I think these are just little ‘give them something whilst they wait’ updates... comping and ghost clips will get here eventually, have some faith

Scroll all the way down to the bottom:
https://www.bitwig.com/en/19/behind-the ... arity.html

stamp · Post by **stamp** » Sat Apr 18, 2020 9:35 pm

antic604 wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 9:16 pm
SLiC wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 8:06 pm
antic604 wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 7:57 pm We've been promised updates to workflow and traditional DAW features when 3.0 was released.
Who? Where? Pictures or It didn’t happen...

I think these are just little ‘give them something whilst they wait’ updates... comping and ghost clips will get here eventually, have some faith
Scroll all the way down to the bottom:
https://www.bitwig.com/en/19/behind-the ... arity.html

By now you should know that they don't keep their promises.
They said there would have been a modular environment in version 2 but the Grid came up only at version 3....

lokanchung · Post by **lokanchung** » Sat Apr 18, 2020 9:37 pm

SLiC wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 7:45 pm I'm not sure Bitwig was ever aimed at the 'average DAW user' but some people seem to want it to be more 'middle ground' and some don't.

The Bitwig Developers say (on the website) its 'dynamic software for creating and performing your musical ideas in the studio and on stage with super-fast workflow for sound design, recording, live performance'
- OK, bit of hyperbole, but they have a vision for their software that may differ from what some people want (or need) and those people may go elsewhere, but others may join the adventure!

I borrowed the expression "average DAW user" and I think it's kinda vague, but I just wanted to say productivity is important for most producers.
And refining features and improving workflow won't make it "middle ground". It's equally as important as creative sound design.

0degree · Post by **0degree** » Sat Apr 18, 2020 9:48 pm

To some extend I agree with Antic - I'm not sure if those rainbow colors are really needed. It feels like it may slightly clutter the GUI. I think Bitwig's interface is really well thought and clean and I'm not sure if it needs tons of colors if not needed.
I also agree that this new EQ should be really an upgrade to existing one. On the other hand I think we need to relax and use the upgrade plan the wise way (I can't justify paying for upgrades every year). If you don't like the updates wait for some more and upgrade once there's something cool for you. I'd love to see more piano roll and workflow related updates. I don't care too much about grid BUT I'd love to have ability to embed VST plugins inside
it to reuse tons of cool plugins I already own into one grid instrument.

Just thinking of going back to Live makes me cry

SLiC · Post by **SLiC** » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:11 pm

antic604 wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 9:16 pm
SLiC wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 8:06 pm
antic604 wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 7:57 pm We've been promised updates to workflow and traditional DAW features when 3.0 was released.
Who? Where? Pictures or It didn’t happen...

I think these are just little ‘give them something whilst they wait’ updates... comping and ghost clips will get here eventually, have some faith
Scroll all the way down to the bottom:
https://www.bitwig.com/en/19/behind-the ... arity.html

This bit?

‘Now that all your components are living in the same tent, we are working on more effortless workflows, for both the studio and the stage. This includes additional devices and modules for sure, but also some new approaches to old problems,

I can’t see anything about ‘traditional’ DAW features?

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:23 pm

antic604 wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 9:16 pm
SLiC wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 8:06 pm
antic604 wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 7:57 pm We've been promised updates to workflow and traditional DAW features when 3.0 was released.
Who? Where? Pictures or It didn’t happen...

I think these are just little ‘give them something whilst they wait’ updates... comping and ghost clips will get here eventually, have some faith
Scroll all the way down to the bottom:
https://www.bitwig.com/en/19/behind-the ... arity.html

There is no mention of anything specific there. Perhaps you just interpreted it how you wanted?

wavedigit · Post by **wavedigit** » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:37 pm

I think I like this update. From the newly added features, I think personally I'd enjoy the new EQ+, Saturator, and absolutely the new Selector modes. I might even upgrade this time.

/// edit: Oh, and almost forgot the "traditional" solo behavior option. Thanks, Bitwig devs

By the way, can anyone please check whether this bug still exists? (shown in the first 30 sec.) -

brunomolteni · Post by **brunomolteni** » Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:46 pm

Guys you are forgetting about backwards compatibility... The first version of tool didnt have -infinity , so if they added it now every project that's using the tool device will dound different... That's why they added a new control that goes to -infinity

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:36 pm

SLiC wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:11 pmThis bit?

‘Now that all your components are living in the same tent, we are working on more effortless workflows, for both the studio and the stage. This includes additional devices and modules for sure, but also some new approaches to old problems,

I can’t see anything about ‘traditional’ DAW features?

Oh come on! Everybody interpreted it like that - the modular environment is out of the way, and they're going back to regular stuff: effortless workflow, new approaches to old problems. Especially the later was understood as 'traditional' features of a DAW. I mean who'd took it as adding that Pitch device? Or adding a new EQ? Or adding new modes to Selectors? Or adding Array module to the Grid?

Really?

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:28 am

antic604 wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 11:36 pm
SLiC wrote: Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:11 pmThis bit?

‘Now that all your components are living in the same tent, we are working on more effortless workflows, for both the studio and the stage. This includes additional devices and modules for sure, but also some new approaches to old problems,

I can’t see anything about ‘traditional’ DAW features?
Oh come on! Everybody interpreted it like that - the modular environment is out of the way, and they're going back to regular stuff: effortless workflow, new approaches to old problems. Especially the later was understood as 'traditional' features of a DAW. I mean who'd took it as adding that Pitch device? Or adding a new EQ? Or adding new modes to Selectors? Or adding Array module to the Grid?

Really?

Just cause 'everybody' interpreted a vague comment a certain way, doesn't mean they are all correct. I can easily fit the 3.2 update into that statement.

antic604 · Post by **antic604** » Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:33 am

pdxindy wrote: Sun Apr 19, 2020 12:28 amJust cause 'everybody' interpreted a vague comment a certain way, doesn't mean they are all correct. I can easily fit the 3.2 update into that statement.

Sure, but you gotta work hard to stretch it the hell out. Unless Bitwig devs live in a world where lack of Array and N-Latch modules were something people were loosing sleep over the last 30 years

I mean I get it. I don't mind the EQ+, Saturator, all the new stuff but they f**ked up bit with those rainbowy colors. It looks ridiculous.

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