Best granular VST ?

[aMUSEd]

Would be great if the iPad Spacecraft could control the plugin version

[CrystalWizard]

So the consensus (for depth of programmability) is Crusher X?
It’s expensive but i’ve seen many good references to it including Simon Stockhousen who’s opinion i value.

[pdxindy]

Not for me... easily my favorite granular synth is Borderlands on iOS (so not actually a VST). It is incredibly fun, hands on and unique.

[c_voltage]

Native Instruments Form did get a mention earlier in the thread, but since many of you might have Komplete, then you might have forgotten about it.

I read up on Form and Skanner XT, and I'm still wondering if these can really be called granular synthesizers. Don't they just do wavescanning? I'm not sure...

As far i remember, NI Skanner XT definitely not granular in any sense, including lack of "scanning" ability (in the sense in which it is usually implied when talking about granulars). "Skanner" is rather just a coincidence in the name. Since it has a standard playback mode, with a pitch affect as the speed changes, like in any regular sampler. (I don’t want to say that this is a bad product though, for its second hand price it can be quite fun mangler).
Whereas Form yes, already close to topic (since actually has spectral scan ability).

Added: (about Skanner XT) As i remember even attempt of automation of the start point with a minimum loop range (as a "last resort" for scanning) was a problem there.

[jancivil]

<since it has that mode it's only that mode>
yeah, no

[WasteLand]

Awesome Wasteland!
Thanks for your info, I’ll check the books and I’m looking forward to learning Granurise.

I’m finding a little confusing tbh, do you know how to play the notes on a midi keyboard?

i contacted the dev, also with other, my own stupid questions, i overlooked some possibilities... my eyes, i need 3 pair of glasses, for reading, far away and computer... but i can see all now, because, in MAX you can resize, i never even checked it out, which i normally do...

Granurise:

perhaps it helps other people:

1. midi keyboard: "To input MIDI notes just go to the settings in the lower right corner and select your MIDI keyboard. Be sure to also open up the Synth engine in the Mixer in the top right side of the GUI. Be sure to refresh the MIDI if your MIDI keyboard is not listed and to select he MIDI mode and not the MPE if you are using a standard MIDI Keyboard. Se the attachment for more details", it can control the Synth engine, only it seems.

2. MPE!"

"For the MPE part you have to enable the MPE option in the settings MIDI | MPE Setup.

The easiest part for exploring MPE options is to try out separated SYNTH engines such as FM, OSC…, Granular, Spectra… and to open the matrix located in the lower right corner of the GUI near the Settings and Help symbol.

For the pressure and the Y movement to affect the density and the position of the grains you must again go to the matrix page and play with the Granular parameters in the matrix. Maybe this section of the video could help."

i never even saw the Matrix page, because my eyes!

MPE setting wasn't difficult. that i knew... i can attach an image, and a link to the vid for the Matrix

MPE.png

3. Resizing:

Please see the steps in the attachment to see how to zoom the GranuRise interface. Unfortunately this is not going to be stored when you restart GranuRise. But anyway hope that helps.

resizing.png

1. open settings
2. turn on scroll
3. in max menu bar, view, zoom in
4. adjust scroll to fit

i had asked about scaling, but there was a misunderstanding, my fault i guess, i used to use windows scaling. but this works better.

i am with stupid sometimes, while i understand the more complex stuff.... well....

let my faults, be anothers gain...

[WasteLand]

i am sorry that i don't edit the previous, post, i got some errors, and it is now finally there..
it is not strange that i overlooked stuff, last half year i hadn't much time....
and it is also not strange, to overlook, it is quite normal to discover possibilities after years.

and o well, i have gained a 'new' instrument. haha, and i could already do a lot with it. so many great stuff in it.

well, this is the end of the world as we know it, going into the new world.

[Echoes in the Attic]

Would be great if the iPad Spacecraft could control the plugin version

Get a touch screen, then it's the same thing!

Anyone using Spacecraft? It's 40% right now at Tracktion, along with the other instruments.

Cool that it's MPE but I think it's too bad that it's fixed how the slide is set to position mod. You might want to set different sensitivities at least to how much the position changes, depending on the sample length and complexity. Is there a slide mod amount adjustment for position? I must admit I have no idea what's going on in that GUI.

[WasteLand]

Would be great if the iPad Spacecraft could control the plugin version

Get a touch screen, then it's the same thing!

Anyone using Spacecraft? It's 40% right now at Tracktion, along with the other instruments.

Cool that it's MPE but I think it's too bad that it's fixed how the slide is set to position mod. You might want to set different sensitivities at least to how much the position changes, depending on the sample length and complexity. Is there a slide mod amount adjustment for position? I must admit I have no idea what's going on in that GUI.

tracktion offers quite a extensive, long demo time...
Spacecraft is great, but has it is own way of thinking, no slide mod amount..
only a few presets, which i like, because, well granulars with presets...., not for me..
it sounds great, great results, but has a specific use. it is not how other granulars work, o yes the main stuff is in there, of course, as always, but implemented differently.

it is it's strength, and on sale quite cheap.

the GUI looks overwhelming, but is quite simple, but not simple in the way, limited.

it is an effect, by the way, but it can load and save samples.

[Echoes in the Attic]

Would be great if the iPad Spacecraft could control the plugin version

Get a touch screen, then it's the same thing!

Anyone using Spacecraft? It's 40% right now at Tracktion, along with the other instruments.

Cool that it's MPE but I think it's too bad that it's fixed how the slide is set to position mod. You might want to set different sensitivities at least to how much the position changes, depending on the sample length and complexity. Is there a slide mod amount adjustment for position? I must admit I have no idea what's going on in that GUI.

tracktion offers quite a extensive, long demo time...
Spacecraft is great, but has it is own way of thinking, no slide mod amount..
only a few presets, which i like, because, well granulars with presets...., not for me..
it sounds great, great results, but has a specific use. it is not how other granulars work, o yes the main stuff is in there, of course, as always, but implemented differently.

it is it's strength, and on sale quite cheap.

the GUI looks overwhelming, but is quite simple, but not simple in the way, limited.

it is an effect, by the way, but it can load and save samples.

I may have to give it a go. VST effect only? Or instrument and FX plugins? If you load samples, don't it repitch from midi input like most granulars?

[Halma]

I may have to give it a go. VST effect only? Or instrument and FX plugins? If you load samples, don't it repitch from midi input like most granulars?

Instrument & FX separately. But tbh I have not figured out how to use it as an FX. I use it only as a Granular Synth. But it can sample audio directly into one of the slots which is pretty cool actually.

[c_voltage]

Anyone using Spacecraft? It's 40% right now at Tracktion, along with the other instruments.

Been check it recently, frankly not impressed, didn't like the interface in the first place, then did not able to find anything new something special. (Abyss fun a much more)

[WasteLand]

Would be great if the iPad Spacecraft could control the plugin version

Get a touch screen, then it's the same thing!

Anyone using Spacecraft? It's 40% right now at Tracktion, along with the other instruments.

Cool that it's MPE but I think it's too bad that it's fixed how the slide is set to position mod. You might want to set different sensitivities at least to how much the position changes, depending on the sample length and complexity. Is there a slide mod amount adjustment for position? I must admit I have no idea what's going on in that GUI.

tracktion offers quite a extensive, long demo time...
Spacecraft is great, but has it is own way of thinking, no slide mod amount..
only a few presets, which i like, because, well granulars with presets...., not for me..
it sounds great, great results, but has a specific use. it is not how other granulars work, o yes the main stuff is in there, of course, as always, but implemented differently.

it is it's strength, and on sale quite cheap.

the GUI looks overwhelming, but is quite simple, but not simple in the way, limited.

it is an effect, by the way, but it can load and save samples.

I may have to give it a go. VST effect only? Or instrument and FX plugins? If you load samples, don't it repitch from midi input like most granulars?

what @Halma says, that's why i was confused. it can be used as an FX, but it can only record samples. 2, yes, and quite long... so a bit strange in a way. perhaps we both overlooked something (see my Granurise post, where i overlooked the most obvious stuff).

still i like it a lot, 128 grains, asks a lot of the CPU, because of its design. but you can create quite rich, strange etc. textures because of its design. it works for you or not.

you can play the pitch, but you can also work with it without midi... it has a build-in sequencer. that also can react to midi. i like, as i already said.

playing MPE, works, i think it is my own workflow, that i almost play against the instrument, which i also like. but i think that's me.

so a great granular, but like Abyss, a very own style.

[simmo75]

i am sorry that i don't edit the previous, post, i got some errors, and it is now finally there..
it is not strange that i overlooked stuff, last half year i hadn't much time....
and it is also not strange, to overlook, it is quite normal to discover possibilities after years.

and o well, i have gained a 'new' instrument. haha, and i could already do a lot with it. so many great stuff in it.

well, this is the end of the world as we know it, going into the new world.

Thanks so much for all your help mate, this is all really useful

[jzero]

Grain, of course, great granular like Spacecraft. Granite and Portal i don't have. Portal i see the attraction, but in Granite, i don't see it. why?? o well..

Granite has the internal ability to record knob movements for most (maybe all?) of its parameters. This makes quick work of getting interesting modulations going.