Native Instruments file for insolvency...

[mixyguy2]

So much cognitive dissonance in peoples mind. Dont worry, your kontakt libraries and kontakt will be fine.

...unless you have to reinstall them (and as someone else said, props on using a term you don't actually know the meaning of).

But there is some jumping the gun going on here. This does not necessarily mean NI is going away.

[mixyguy2]

A few years ago already, I heard from a friend who worked at NI that they, in his opinion, "should fire the 200 project and product managers and bean counters and let the creatives and developers do their work unhindered.

That'd be good advice for most mid/large companies.

[parma]

Seems like Ableton is the only one that has figured that out.

[mixyguy2]

I fear the unavailability wouldn't make using cracks any more legal. Imho this should change.

In most if not all of EU it's legal under those circumstances.

In the USA it is not.

Not that most people would give a flip, and tbh I wouldn't blame them.

[mixyguy2]

I’m genuinely puzzled by how emotionally charged some of these replies are. Wanting a company to fail over a synth or system you don’t like feels wild.
We’re talking about music software, not ideology or ethics. Dislike it, ignore it, critique it.. all fine. But rooting for people to fall because their product doesn’t align with your preferences crosses from evaluation into something personal. Very ugly.

What on Earth are you talking about? How you drew that conclusion from the posts here I can't imagine. People just want NI software/hardware they paid for to continue to work/be available for reinstall as needed. If that's "ugly," consider me hideous.

[mixyguy2]

Actually...

1. No
2. Kinda sorta (installed - but not necessarily "running") when using said plugins).

NA has several key components - some of them services - which DO need to be running (and ARE running). So you cannot install Kontakt and then completely uninstall NA and expect to use Kontakt again.

Incorrect. I know because I just tried and Kontakt works just fine offline.

[mixyguy2]

Kontakt is a great sampler player...

Really good....

No, it really isn't.

But everybody is talking like this is the end of Native Instruments and the end of the world...

No, they really aren't talking about this like the end of the world. Just PO'd about the potential impact (to varying degrees...for some, quite significant) if this harms their ability to use and/or reinstall NI hardware/software going forward.

All we're seeing is a change of management

No, we really aren't. If that was all this was about, they wouldn't be declaring bankruptcy.

[mixyguy2]

https://blog.native-instruments.com/sta ... struments/

that was a nothing statement

Well duh. That's what CEOs get paid LOTS of money to do.

[Effectsworks]

https://blog.native-instruments.com/sta ... struments/

that was a nothing statement

Pretty much! A nice sentiment of course, bud I'd be highly skeptical of any statement until something is concrete. Time to pivot as they say.

[jrwaltb]

Actually...

1. No
2. Kinda sorta (installed - but not necessarily "running") when using said plugins).

NA has several key components - some of them services - which DO need to be running (and ARE running). So you cannot install Kontakt and then completely uninstall NA and expect to use Kontakt again.

Incorrect. I know because I just tried and Kontakt works just fine offline.

So what are you arguing, that its a good investment and companies/people should invest 100's of hours developing on the platform?

[mixyguy2]

That's pretty much as good as no statement.

That is basically all he can say at this point.

Better than nothing for sure.

VP

Not really.

[mixyguy2]

Actually...

1. No
2. Kinda sorta (installed - but not necessarily "running") when using said plugins).

NA has several key components - some of them services - which DO need to be running (and ARE running). So you cannot install Kontakt and then completely uninstall NA and expect to use Kontakt again.

Incorrect. I know because I just tried and Kontakt works just fine offline.

So what are you arguing, that its a good investment and companies/people should invest 100's of hours developing on the platform?

? I'm not "arguing" anything. I'm saying you don't need NA running to use Kontakt.

[machinesworking]

Seems like Ableton is the only one that has figured that out.

Ableton Live, MOTU Digital Performer, Cockos Reaper, Bitwig are all slim run private companies, with Ableton being the biggest and likely the ones with the largest marketing department. I think maybe to a degree DP and Bitwig could use some marketing, especially DP.

IMO NI were obviously being overrun with marketing when one of the original founders and developers of Reaktor left.

Again though in the bigger picture we don't really know what's going on, it's just a lot of speculation.

[darkydisco]

Thanks! Maybe there is still some hope...

PLEASE HELP! Comment below and share! Seeing so many of you being sad / mad on social media about what's happening at NI (incl. PA & BX) makes me lose sleep right now. I have just reached out to the current owners of PA/BX and offered my help - again.
Tell us what needs to happen... in your own words.

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=25 ... 4491266886

The ego on these guys to basically decline free advice on not running a company into the ground, despite everything falling apart behind the scenes. Assuming the person overseeing the insolvency restructuring is capable maybe he can hire him?

Dirk Ulrich sold Plugin Alliance to Native Instruments in 2021 and left the Native Instruments board in 2024

His fingerprints are all over the current Insolvency. What help can he offer? As a business man he decided that NI was an awesome company and that he should sell his business to them. How does that decision look now? Would you trust him for business advice? I know I wouldn't

If he was so concerned with Plugin Alliance and was such a good business man why did he sell it to Native Instruments and then why did he remain on the board of NI until 2024? He selected who he sold the company to, that is his legacy. It is rather rich for him to play armchair QB now based on his actual track record with his prior business dealings, and then moan about how they are rejecting his "help"

His help is exactly why PA is in this current situation, because he chose to sell the company and then chose who it would be sold to.

He sold them PA for top dollar, he saw more money than he ever thought his company was going to be worth and sold it. Not the first time or the last time someone has or will do it. Story as old as capitalism.

Say what you will about how honourable it was, I mean sure, he’s no Robert Henke. But one thing is for sure, he knew how to run it properly and it was most definitely profitable. From the looks of it, that’s more than NI/PA’s current owners can say.

Kvr seems to have a strong dislike for Dirk though so I’m not surprised, and again I get it. Guys like Urs, Steve Duda or Henke are what you hope for in an owner, but it is what it is.

[parma]

Seems like Ableton is the only one that has figured that out.

Ableton Live, MOTU Digital Performer, Cockos Reaper, Bitwig are all slim run private companies, with Ableton being the biggest and likely the ones with the largest marketing department. I think maybe to a degree DP and Bitwig could use some marketing, especially DP.

IMO NI were obviously being overrun with marketing when one of the original founders and developers of Reaktor left.

Again though in the bigger picture we don't really know what's going on, it's just a lot of speculation.

Yeah, that's why I singled out Ableton - they're significantly bigger than the other successful but smaller companies.

As for speculation - nearly everybody that pays attention to the economy is practically screaming that we're on the verge of some real bad times (AI bubble, housing prices bonkers overvalued, consumer debt insanely high with extremely high APRs on credit cards, inflation, griftflation, general stupidity at the highest levels of government, civil unrest...). Everybody is just kind of waiting for that one thing that will start the dominoes.