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akeia · Post by **akeia** » Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:20 pm

DuX wrote:Arturia, a piece of advice: find some people who can program DSP properly, ASAP!

They kicked out Xavier Oudin a long time ago and never found a replacement. The sad thing is that they seem to think their synths really sound like the original. My only explanation is that they measure the waveforms on an oscilloscope but never play them as an instrument.

egbert101 · Post by **egbert101** » Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:22 pm

Daags · Post by **Daags** » Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:23 pm

akeia wrote:
DuX wrote:Arturia, a piece of advice: find some people who can program DSP properly, ASAP!
They kicked out Xavier Oudin a long time ago and never found a replacement.

They kicked him out ? Are you sure about that ?

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:29 pm

egbert101 wrote:
wagtunes wrote: And yeah, as a businessman, I have to weigh paying the extra $100 against loss of revenue. Ironically, it might be better for me to get it now.
Before the year is out. My prediction you'll buy it.

I wouldn't say you're wrong. It's quite possible especially with all the problems Infinite Pro is having it's looking like I won't be getting it.

akeia · Post by **akeia** » Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:32 pm

Daags wrote:They kicked him out ? Are you sure about that ?

OK. To be more precise and less finger pointing. Both parties could not agree on the circumstances of a further business relationship.

Daags · Post by **Daags** » Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:35 pm

akeia wrote:
Daags wrote:They kicked him out ? Are you sure about that ?
OK. To be more precise and less finger pointing. Both parties could not agree on the circumstances of a further business relationship.

right ... that's vastly different to being kicked out.

you seriously discredit a man when you say he was fired from his job, rather than he left of his own accord (owing to whatever alleged differences).

Examigan · Post by **Examigan** » Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:43 pm

DuX wrote:Arturia, a piece of advice: find some people who can program DSP properly, ASAP!

Of their more recent synths, I think the Matrix 12 V and Synclavier V sound good. I'd like to check out the new DX7 V.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:49 pm

I'm not exactly sure I understand the criticisms of the sound of Arturia's synths. Do they sound exactly like the originals? I don't know. I only owned a couple of the synths they've emulated. But by themselves, they sound perfectly fine to me.

akeia · Post by **akeia** » Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:50 pm

Daags wrote:you seriously discredit a man when you say he was fired from his job, rather than he left of his own accord (owing to whatever alleged differences).

You are right. The verbalization was sloppy and wrong. The quality of his synths in my opinion is significantly better than what Arturia develops. I just today compared the overall sound quality and analogyness of XILS 3 with the new Easel and the difference is obvious.

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:54 pm

akeia wrote:
Daags wrote:you seriously discredit a man when you say he was fired from his job, rather than he left of his own accord (owing to whatever alleged differences).
You are right. The verbalization was sloppy and wrong. The quality of his synths in my opinion is significantly better than what Arturia develops. I just today compared the overall sound quality and analogyness of XILS 3 with the new Easel and the difference is obvious.

East vs West, the Buchla is a very different kind of synthesis and not meant to be particularly 'analog' sounding (in the sense most people are used to)

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Fri Dec 08, 2017 11:56 pm

aMUSEd wrote:
akeia wrote:
Daags wrote:you seriously discredit a man when you say he was fired from his job, rather than he left of his own accord (owing to whatever alleged differences).
You are right. The verbalization was sloppy and wrong. The quality of his synths in my opinion is significantly better than what Arturia develops. I just today compared the overall sound quality and analogyness of XILS 3 with the new Easel and the difference is obvious.
East vs West, the Buchla is a very different kind of synthesis and not meant to be particularly 'analog' sounding (in the sense most people are used to)

I think for a lot of people, West Coast synthesis is an acquired taste. Personally, I find it infinitely more interesting than East Coast synthesis.

rod_zero · Post by **rod_zero** » Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:00 am

LOL people comparing XILS 3 vs Easel, so noob.

aMUSEd · Post by **aMUSEd** » Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:02 am

It would be more concerning if there wasn't an 'obvious' difference.

ghettosynth · Post by **ghettosynth** » Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:10 am

wagtunes wrote:I'm not exactly sure I understand the criticisms of the sound of Arturia's synths. Do they sound exactly like the originals? I don't know. I only owned a couple of the synths they've emulated. But by themselves, they sound perfectly fine to me.

The newer ones are better. I haven't demod Buchla enough to know if it's really there or not, for me, but just by the sounds in Analog Lab I can tell that it's better.

There's no magic pill for great modeled synth sound. If you aren't using a bit of CPU today, then it's not possible that your (analog) emulations are at the cutting edge. That's the contrapositive of a true statement, not the converse, it's not fallacy to make the observation.

The 2600 filter doesn't sound good at high resonance settings. They haven't upgraded it significantly for whatever reasons.

Until recently, they were focused on analog emulations but were behind the times in sound quality. There are other factors as well, U/I, stability, etc, but the majority of the criticism comes from weak analog models.

Daags · Post by **Daags** » Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:12 am

akeia wrote:The quality of his synths in my opinion is significantly better than what Arturia develops.

I agree 100% ... Xavier was a serious loss to Arturia's software arm, and who knows how his influence might have played out on their hardware. At any rate maybe it's best for us that he left, perhaps it allowed him to be more singular in his focus and deliver all the great xils-lab plugins.

I should note however that I haven't used any of Arturia's new efforts since V4.

(I will upgrade to V6 though when the time and price is right.)

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