Arturia V Collection 6

[wagtunes]

I'm not exactly sure I understand the criticisms of the sound of Arturia's synths. Do they sound exactly like the originals? I don't know. I only owned a couple of the synths they've emulated. But by themselves, they sound perfectly fine to me.

The newer ones are better. I haven't demod Buchla enough to know if it's really there or not, for me, but just by the sounds in Analog Lab I can tell that it's better.

There's no magic pill for great modeled synth sound. If you aren't using a bit of CPU today, then it's not possible that your (analog) emulations are at the cutting edge. That's the contrapositive of a true statement, not the converse, it's not fallacy to make the observation.

The 2600 filter doesn't sound good at high resonance settings. They haven't upgraded it significantly for whatever reasons.

Until recently, they were focused on analog emulations but were behind the times in sound quality. There are other factors as well, U/I, stability, etc, but the majority of the criticism comes from weak analog models.

Well, I guess it all comes down to how critical you are. Me? I'm happy if the GUI is large and the synth doesn't crash every 10 minutes. After that, if it has a "usable" sound, I'm happy.

[akeia]

East vs West, the Buchla is a very different kind of synthesis and not meant to be particularly 'analog' sounding (in the sense most people are used to)

This difference is familiar to me. I was not comparing XILS with Easel V but the "perceived reality factor" of Buchla Easel vs. Arturia Easel V against XILS vs. VCS. The liveliness and believability when played as an instrument. I do not have the original hardware but both originals (in videos) have kind of an organic sound and a dangerous unpredictability in their dynamic reaction to parameter changes. That is what I think the XILS software emulation has and what the Easel V is missing.

[egbert101]

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[ATN69]

Even half deaf people could tell that the sound of their DX7-V is not the same as the real DX-7. It's ridiculous. Their synth sounds like a joke. But it's nicely drenched in a reverb... and we can't allow that on the real DX7, right? It's so obvious, the marketing... terrible. You take your users for idiots? "If it looks like one, it's gotta sound like one"?

Can't you do anything properly Arturia? Maybe you should try hiring less GUI designers and more real audio DSP programmers. Then do a v7 with some really good emulated synths next year, just before x-mas, so all the half-deaf [but with good eyes] wannabes can buy your crappy synths.

And your plugins consume far more RAM and HD space than the Reaper DAW! Your one plugin consumes more resources than the whole DAW! What are you programming with? PHP or JavaScript?? An interpreter that interprets to it to an interpreter that interprets it to an interpreter that interprets it to assembly? Well done. /sarc

Yes, I'm not thrilled with the v5 or v6, for that matter. All Arturia is doing is using same old crappy DSP with new GUIs. Honestly, to me all this sounds like a joke and the videos are a joke, too! Funny company. French humour at its best, I suppose?

Quality post there bud. Nice analysis with data and comparisons.

No need data or comparisons. All that post says is that the guy obviously doesn't like Arturia. I for one do like Arturia.

[DuX]

Even half deaf people could tell that the sound of their DX7-V is not the same as the real DX-7. It's ridiculous. Their synth sounds like a joke. But it's nicely drenched in a reverb... and we can't allow that on the real DX7, right? It's so obvious, the marketing... terrible. You take your users for idiots? "If it looks like one, it's gotta sound like one"?

Can't you do anything properly Arturia? Maybe you should try hiring less GUI designers and more real audio DSP programmers. Then do a v7 with some really good emulated synths next year, just before x-mas, so all the half-deaf [but with good eyes] wannabes can buy your crappy synths.

And your plugins consume far more RAM and HD space than the Reaper DAW! Your one plugin consumes more resources than the whole DAW! What are you programming with? PHP or JavaScript?? An interpreter that interprets to it to an interpreter that interprets it to an interpreter that interprets it to assembly? Well done. /sarc

Yes, I'm not thrilled with the v5 or v6, for that matter. All Arturia is doing is using same old crappy DSP with new GUIs. Honestly, to me all this sounds like a joke and the videos are a joke, too! Funny company. French humour at its best, I suppose?

Quality post there bud. Nice analysis with data and comparisons.

OK, I get the sarcasm. I was referring to their DX7-V video. It is so obvious even a half-deaf guy could hear the difference. You can't hear the difference? Hmmm... I would visit an ear doctor if I were you.

And the more than 1GB of download is enough proof for the other things I said. Is it not? When was the last time you had to download a more than 1GB of installation for some synths? I use TOGU Sampler a lot and it's a 42.9MB download and it's that *big* only due to all the formats it contains. I would expect Arturia download to be around no more than a couple of hundred MBs, in that context.

So please don't call me out on providing facts. It's your own fault you can't hear and see the obvious. I'm just pointing out what anybody *sane* should be able to see and hear.

[VariKusBrainZ]

Even half deaf people could tell that the sound of their DX7-V is not the same as the real DX-7. It's ridiculous. Their synth sounds like a joke. But it's nicely drenched in a reverb... and we can't allow that on the real DX7, right? It's so obvious, the marketing... terrible. You take your users for idiots? "If it looks like one, it's gotta sound like one"?

Can't you do anything properly Arturia? Maybe you should try hiring less GUI designers and more real audio DSP programmers. Then do a v7 with some really good emulated synths next year, just before x-mas, so all the half-deaf [but with good eyes] wannabes can buy your crappy synths.

And your plugins consume far more RAM and HD space than the Reaper DAW! Your one plugin consumes more resources than the whole DAW! What are you programming with? PHP or JavaScript?? An interpreter that interprets to it to an interpreter that interprets it to an interpreter that interprets it to assembly? Well done. /sarc

Yes, I'm not thrilled with the v5 or v6, for that matter. All Arturia is doing is using same old crappy DSP with new GUIs. Honestly, to me all this sounds like a joke and the videos are a joke, too! Funny company. French humour at its best, I suppose?

Quality post there bud. Nice analysis with data and comparisons.

OK, I get the sarcasm. I was referring to their DX7-V video. It is so obvious even a half-deaf guy could hear the difference. You can't hear the difference? Hmmm... I would visit an ear doctor if I were you.

And the more than 1GB of download is enough proof for the other things I said. Is it not? When was the last time you had to download a more than 1GB of installation for some synths? I use TOGU Sampler a lot and it's a 42.9MB download and it's that *big* only due to all the formats it contains. I would expect Arturia download to be around no more than a couple of hundred MBs, in that context.

So please don't call me out on providing facts. It's your own fault you can't hear and see the obvious. I'm just pointing out what anybody *sane* should be able to see and hear.

Arturia installer also contains all the plugin formats and unfortunately they went with bitmaps rather than vector or coded graphics for the GUI so it also contains multiple versions of the GUI elements for the different sizes available, multiply that by 21 plugins, compared to 1 x Togu Sampler.

Just find the formats you dont need and delete them

[foosnark]

It's been so long since I've used a real DX7 that the plugin sounded good enough to me. Also, I don't personally care about perfect clones of the hardware. Of course the DX7 V has features the actual hardware never did, so of course any patches that use those features aren't going to sound the same.


I've never owned any Buchla stuff and probably never will, but there are a couple of albums I like that were done with the Easel hardware and I've watched a few more videos on it. It sounds right to me. The spring reverb and feedback aren't perfect, but are quite usable anyway. The wavefolding on the timbre control sounds perfect. The FM behaves as I'd expect, as does audio rate modulation of everything else. The LPGs seem realistic -- I prefer a couple of other ones in hardware, but if I heard this out of context I'd probably think it was an Optomix.

I'm far more impressed by Arturia's DSP than I am by random cranky people on the internet who throw insults around.

[braj]

I'm far more impressed by Arturia's DSP than I am by random cranky people on the internet who throw insults around.

+1

[Spitfire31]

I'm far more impressed by Arturia's DSP than I am by random cranky people on the internet who throw insults around.

/Joachim

[DuX]

Well, I'm obviously not impressed by Arturia's DSP and really if you can't hear the difference which is so obvious in *their video*... what am I supposed to say? What? In my view there has to be something wrong with someone's ears if he cannot hear that kind of difference and marketing scam in this video and I suppose in others, too.

Speaking of DSP, TOGU is far more impressive and not trying to sell nice graphics on top of average 2005 DSP to "hearing challenged" people. [now I got it... just for SJWs ] Also, Dexed, the freeware VSTi, sounds far more credible.

It's a shame. I'd like to be able to say "wow, Arturia made a really great DX7 emu", but they haven't. Is criticism forbidden these days? Especially when something costs money?

[braj]

Insane... Marketing scam....

[DuX]

Insane... Marketing scam....

So tell me how is it not? Arturia synths have always had "problems with authenticity of their sound". They now that.

[braj]

Insane... Marketing scam....

So tell me how is it not?

Hyperbole much dude? They may be inaccurate (some more than others), but they aren't a marketing scam. If you don't like them, don't give Arturia your money, but you're losing your sh t over this, and I'm just laughing I think by and large they are usable and decent, and often great like the SEM V. And I think for the money the collection is a pretty decent value, as long as you don't pay full price.

[DuX]

Insane... Marketing scam....

So tell me how is it not?

I think by and large they are usable and decent, and often great like the SEM V. And I think for the money the collection is a pretty decent value, as long as you don't pay full price.

I actually agree with that. Completely.

But it's still a marketing scam and not just the DX7. All the way back to their Moogs and Arp, CS-80... They are decent synths in their own right, but not really emulations of the real thing, as in *they don't sound authentic* and some of their "emus" are so far off it is laughable. The newer ones that sound better, like SEM V, are still far off the real thing.

Whoever is looking for a good emulation of vintage synths should look up u-he synths like Diva and Repro, for instance. TOGU sampler and other TOGU synths also sound more authentic than Arturia synths. It really is all just about a nice looking package [GUIs] when it comes to Arturia and their software is often rather buggy.

[braj]

That still doesn't make what you said cool at all to me, you are being really harsh. It is not a scam. And I owned Diva, own Repro and TAL Un-O. I own two Arturia synths, plus the freebie Mini V. I love the SEM V, and I am not impressed with the 2600 V and Mini V. Both of those are older so that is pretty understandable they are dated. But they still are no scam.