CLAP public preview revision 13510 (ACE, Bazille, Diva, Hive)
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- KVRAF
- 24402 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
You can right-click the pitch bend parameter and enable lock for PB up and down already, though?
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- KVRian
- 923 posts since 13 Jul, 2006
Yes, this works already.EvilDragon wrote: Mon May 15, 2023 12:00 pm You can right-click the pitch bend parameter and enable lock for PB up and down already, though?
I think the ideal "fully MPE compliant" solution to that would be to support auto-configuring itself for MPE. Some full MPE compliant synths already do that. If you host (or MIDI device itself?) sends that it's MPE, the synth automatically configures pitch bend range, knows which channels are used to send messages etc.
Also for me it means that each MPE dimension is also available as a modulation source directly. In u-he synths this is still missing for MPE Timbre.
Bitwig imho solved this very nicely: They have a modularor source for "Expressions", which covers the important MPE per-note modulation sources: Velocity, Timbre, Release, Pressure. Theoretically pitch-bend is also one of them but this is already by auto-setting the pitch bend range to 48.
In Vital they called it "Slide" for Timbre and "Lift" for Release.
In newer Arturia synths like Augmented Series, they call it MPE Slide.
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- KVRAF
- 24402 posts since 7 Jan, 2009 from Croatia
I am annoyed at the nomenclature inconsistencies there. 
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- KVRian
- 923 posts since 13 Jul, 2006
Yeah same here. It's all over the place. Also with Pressure and AT.
At first, I didn't understand that Vital slide was MPE timbre and thought they missed it. But once you know, you know.
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- KVRist
- 67 posts since 25 Sep, 2013
Speaking of naming things...
Seeing people say "CLAP plugins" just means "CLever Audio Plugin plugins" right?
But you can't ask things like, "What are your favorite CLAPs?" Because then the answers will be along the lines of, "808 claps".
Is it too late to just change the plugin format name to something like CLVR?
So then it's more an abbreviation. Then you can just say "clever [CLVR] plugins".
Or maybe CAT? For "Clever Audio Technology". CAT plugins would be very popular lol
Seeing people say "CLAP plugins" just means "CLever Audio Plugin plugins" right?
But you can't ask things like, "What are your favorite CLAPs?" Because then the answers will be along the lines of, "808 claps".
Is it too late to just change the plugin format name to something like CLVR?
So then it's more an abbreviation. Then you can just say "clever [CLVR] plugins".
Or maybe CAT? For "Clever Audio Technology". CAT plugins would be very popular lol
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- KVRAF
- 4467 posts since 15 Nov, 2006 from Hell
I don't think people use other plugin formats as much as VST is colloquially used. Like, I don't think I've seen anyone asking what are their favorite AU/AAX plugins.
I don't know what to write here that won't be censored, as I can only speak in profanity.
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Echoes in the Attic Echoes in the Attic https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=180417
- KVRAF
- 11993 posts since 12 May, 2008
So what is the priority of finishing these CLAPs in comparison to the other stuff on the go? Sounds like Filterscape is the current top goal, and then is it the CLAPs?
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- u-he
- 30171 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
They're closely related. Filterscape will have CLAP support, but it doesn't need all of CLAP's features. It does not have polyphonic parameter modulation or MPE. Nor does it have NKS support and thus mapped parameters which we could reuse for CLAP's remote controls. So these areas are currently left out while we work on Filterscape, and then we'll be onto them once FIlterscape is good to go. But all things CLAP that Filterscape needs will/should be addressed in its entirety.
The other areas have a few issues left to tackle, some more, some less.
(Nevertheless, the main reason we're currently not posting betas is another, I think I posted a lengthy answer in the Uhbik thread here a few days back... something about switching versioning systems and merging branches... we're on a very good track to tackle those issues as well, it's mostly down to minor cosmetic issues...)
The other areas have a few issues left to tackle, some more, some less.
(Nevertheless, the main reason we're currently not posting betas is another, I think I posted a lengthy answer in the Uhbik thread here a few days back... something about switching versioning systems and merging branches... we're on a very good track to tackle those issues as well, it's mostly down to minor cosmetic issues...)
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Echoes in the Attic Echoes in the Attic https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=180417
- KVRAF
- 11993 posts since 12 May, 2008
Oh thanks, I was thinking more in terms of the synths like Bazille, Repro, Diva, Hive - Is finishing the CLAP functionality next up after Filterscape? Ie. before Uhbik, Zebra 3 etc.? Looking forward to all the poly modulation and mpe stuff in CLAP.
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- u-he
- 30171 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
We've finished our initial CLAP implementation for synths, with the different feature sets for MIDI channel aware synths (ACE, Bazille, Diva, Hive) and the non-aware synths (Zebra2, FilterscapeVA), currently getting ready to release Filterscape and Diva:
viewtopic.php?t=601157
(this will be released officially in a few days, and the dev team will regroup to work on Uhbik, and CLAP/Maintenance releases which will also hopefully contain full MPE support)
viewtopic.php?t=601157
(this will be released officially in a few days, and the dev team will regroup to work on Uhbik, and CLAP/Maintenance releases which will also hopefully contain full MPE support)
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- KVRAF
- 10286 posts since 17 Sep, 2004 from Austin, TX
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- KVRer
- 9 posts since 11 Oct, 2023
Complete newbie here, so sorry if I missed something obvious:
I tried both the Diva and Hive 2 CLAP versions with a Linnstrument & Bitwig and I was a bit surprised that Hive 2 doesn't even seem to have pressure sensitivity on most presets? I thought Hive 2 represented modern synths, while Diva was the classic ones? Yet more presets in Diva respond to pressure, velocity and so on... is it just the beta of it all?
I tried both the Diva and Hive 2 CLAP versions with a Linnstrument & Bitwig and I was a bit surprised that Hive 2 doesn't even seem to have pressure sensitivity on most presets? I thought Hive 2 represented modern synths, while Diva was the classic ones? Yet more presets in Diva respond to pressure, velocity and so on... is it just the beta of it all?
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- KVRAF
- 4066 posts since 3 Jul, 2022
It I understand well, you are more referring to MPE features, not CLAP features. Clap features are more voice stacking, polyphonic modulations, ....eobet wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2023 9:03 pm Complete newbie here, so sorry if I missed something obvious:
I tried both the Diva and Hive 2 CLAP versions with a Linnstrument & Bitwig and I was a bit surprised that Hive 2 doesn't even seem to have pressure sensitivity on most presets? I thought Hive 2 represented modern synths, while Diva was the classic ones? Yet more presets in Diva respond to pressure, velocity and so on... is it just the beta of it all?
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- u-he
- 30171 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
We just started public testing of MPE for Ace, Bazille and Hive:
viewtopic.php?t=603439
Those also have full CLAP support.
viewtopic.php?t=603439
Those also have full CLAP support.
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- KVRAF
- 2623 posts since 20 Oct, 2014
One question: Is Repro already available as CLAP? That would be a reason for me to buy it again.... Also, is MPE planned for Repro, too?