Can you nudge/edit items in Bitwig at sample-level accuracy?

[limitlesssss]

For example:

Can you shorten an item by one sample?

Can you nudge an item by one sample?

Can you show playhead’s position in samples instead of minutes:seconds:milliseconds?

[_leras]

You should be able to do this in the audio editor with the knife, or using the pointer tool to drag the right edge of the sample making it smaller.

It's depending on what you can see, rather than being able to type in a length in samples, which I'm not sure if it can be done.

Out of curiosity, why do you need this accuracy?

[limitlesssss]

You should be able to do this in the audio editor with the knife, or using the pointer tool to drag the right edge of the sample making it smaller.

It's depending on what you can see, rather than being able to type in a length in samples, which I'm not sure if it can be done.

Out of curiosity, why do you need this accuracy?

When combining two audio signals, nudging one of them even one sample to either side can have a dramatic effect on how the combined signals sound.

Being able to move stuff at sample-level accuracy is a standard feature in serious daws and audio editors like Cubase, REAPER, Audition, Acoustica…

[BazJacuzzi]

Serious DAWs

[limitlesssss]

If you could nudge items at sample-level accuracy, and you could also visually superimpose tracks on top of each other, the following could be achieved:

When you're phase-aligning two tracks, you'd be able to go beyond aligning only their transients, you'd be able to phase-align the bodies of the waveforms much more accurately. Sometimes they will phase-align so well that it almost looks like they are one waveform (like the example below), and then you'd know you've phase-aligned them as perfectly as possible.



The highest correlation between the waveforms is achieved. This way you can immediately judge where the transients are in relationship to each other and then how phase-aligned the main bodies of the waveforms are, how correlated they are if you will.



Call me crazy, but I think being able to nudge waveforms one sample at a time, is the most basic functionality of a DAW.

Being able to superimpose tracks on top of each other and do the above-mentioned trick is also pretty sweet if I may say so.

Here in this video, you can hear the dramatic effect nudging one of the tracks only a few samples can have. It also shows the superimposing trick I mentioned above:

Don't knock it, until you've tried it.

[icaria36]

If you could nudge items at sample-level accuracy

Maybe I'm not understanding the problem. Isn't this possible by zooming in as much as you can and then moving one clip to align the zero crossing points of the wave with the other clip wave you want to align with?

Also, the Time Shift device can nudge by 1 sample (or more).

I mean, there is people doing Psytrance, Bass and other genres relying on really accurate phase alignment with Bitwig, and there are a bunch of videos about phase alignment in Bitwig out there.

[Dionysos]

So I suppose the short answer is: You can do it in Bitwig, but the UI doesn't provide any specific helpers for doing so (like being able to see individual samples in zoomed-in waveforms, or to nudge an event by a single sample).

[Sonic Illusions]

It's possible in Audacity. In Bitwig you can zoom in, but it takes probably more time than Voyager 2 reaching out for Alpha Biondi afaik

[icaria36]

Posting here tumface's answer in another thread, which is sample-accurate.

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Can you nudge/edit items in Bitwig Studio 6 at sample-level accuracy?

Yes. Bitwig is subsample-accurate.


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Can you shorten an item by one sample?

Can you nudge an item by one sample?

Yes, but there's no command to do these, and Bitwig always shows an interpolated waveform without showing the sample points, so it's not easy. Many people have requested better waveform display features and options, but they haven't done it.

Can you show playhead’s position in samples instead of minutes:seconds:milliseconds?

No.

Samples? May I ask what you need all this precision for?

Why do you need to know what they need it for? This is a feature other DAWs have, and there's no need to play gatekeeper. (Sorry if I'm misunderstanding why you're asking.)

[Sonic Illusions]

Let's say I have a 23/5 beat and I want to mix it with a 17/28 beat, and cut it up like a 7/34 beat.
So you have 1/34 of a 23/5 beat, 1/34 of a 17/28 beat and so on.. get the picture?

[limitlesssss]

If you could nudge items at sample-level accuracy

Maybe I'm not understanding the problem. Isn't this possible by zooming in as much as you can and then moving one clip to align the zero crossing points of the wave with the other clip wave you want to align with?

Also, the Time Shift device can nudge by 1 sample (or more).

I mean, there is people doing Psytrance, Bass and other genres relying on really accurate phase alignment with Bitwig, and there are a bunch of videos about phase alignment in Bitwig out there.

I don't have access to Bitwig. So I didn't know that Time Shift could nudge by 1 sample. Can you possibly share a screenshot please? If it's possible.

Also I would appreciate it if you could share those videos about phase alignment in Bitwig. Thank you.

[icaria36]

I don't have access to Bitwig. So I didn't know that Time Shift could nudge by 1 sample. Can you possibly share a screenshot please? If it's possible.

Ah, sorry, I thought you were already a Bitwig user. Well, I suggest you download it ant try it for free with your own audio clips. It probably takes less time than doing research online, and no answer will beat the actual sound changes when you zoom in and nudge audio clips. I mean, it seems that Bitwig doesn't offer what you are used to, but it also seems that you can align audio waves easily just fine to avoid phase issues anyway. Not a determining factor to give Bitwig a shot or not?

I have looked for videos about how to address phase alignment on Bitwig, but they touch many other things, since aligning the waveforms is just one factor and they dwell more on i.e. how to avoid problems using EQ, sidechaining, and so on.

The Time Shift device is very simple. So simple that there seems to be just a couple of videos mentioning it tangentially, for "humanizing" your music, and so on. You add it to a track and you can move clips by samples or milliseconds. You can also modulate it to have it active only while a certain clip is playing, change its value and so on.

(((Sorry for not sharing screenshots or videos. This forum doesn't make it as easy as copy & pasting (or uploading) something, and I am not used to external sites to upload content.)))

[limitlesssss]

I don't have access to Bitwig. So I didn't know that Time Shift could nudge by 1 sample. Can you possibly share a screenshot please? If it's possible.

Ah, sorry, I thought you were already a Bitwig user. Well, I suggest you download it ant try it for free with your own audio clips. It probably takes less time than doing research online, and no answer will beat the actual sound changes when you zoom in and nudge audio clips. I mean, it seems that Bitwig doesn't offer what you are used to, but it also seems that you can align audio waves easily just fine to avoid phase issues anyway. Not a determining factor to give Bitwig a shot or not?

I have looked for videos about how to address phase alignment on Bitwig, but they touch many other things, since aligning the waveforms is just one factor and they dwell more on i.e. how to avoid problems using EQ, sidechaining, and so on.

The Time Shift device is very simple. So simple that there seems to be just a couple of videos mentioning it tangentially, for "humanizing" your music, and so on. You add it to a track and you can move clips by samples or milliseconds. You can also modulate it to have it active only while a certain clip is playing, change its value and so on.

(((Sorry for not sharing screenshots or videos. This forum doesn't making as easy as copy & pasting (or uploading) something, and I am not used to external sites.)))

I actually did download the demo a few months back. Upon installing though, I was told my CPU could not support Bitwig. Some CPU instructions lacking. My CPU is olddd. Almost 20 years old. I appreciate your response though. I'm trying to find some YouTube videos about phase-alignment in Bitwig. Thank you again.

Oh by the way, I LOVE Bitwig Studio, judging by hundreds of videos I've watched about it so far. I want to make it my one and only DAW. That's why I'm nitpicking.

[BobDog]

Surely if you can't run Bitwig anyway then this is all academic? What exactly is the point?

[limitlesssss]

Surely if you can't run Bitwig anyway then this is all academic? What exactly is the point?

What’s your best guess?