T1 "peaks" above 0dB - T2 "peaks" at 0dB

[AndrewSimon]

Did anybody noticed?

T1 master meter "peaks" (red peak light goes on) above 0dB -- T2 meter "peaks" at 0dB

Is it OK to reach 0dB or are you suppose to be just below it?

[dee ess pee]

Clipping is consecutive peaks at 0. So if T2 is clipping at full-scale or above, that's a bit off.

[multree]

well T is a bit sensetive to 0.0dB but it doesn't mean it's clipping..... as somebody already mentioned you can simply delet all track level meters put a masterlimiter with a ceiling of -0.1 (or make that -0.3) and mix happily...

it won't clip inside Tracktion anyway for it's a 32bit/64bit resolution mixer

[AndrewSimon]

So what is the "correct" thing to do?
Master limiter at 0dB
or master limiter at 0.1dB

[dee ess pee]

-0.3 is generally the "correct" setting.

[multree]

well actually 0.0dB is the right setting but some devices might clip getting to close to 0.000000000000000001dB and so the safety rule is -0.3dB

[Lunch Money]

Exactly. I just wish the red clip indicators on track level meters wouldn't fire off so much.

[IIRs]

So what is the "correct" thing to do?
Master limiter at 0dB
or master limiter at 0.1dB

If you need to limit, then its best to keep the peaks just below full scale.. I tend to use -0.3dBFS myself.

There's nothing wrong with lowering the master fader until the mix buss stops clipping however, and if you plan to master later its a much better idea..

[IIRs]

well actually 0.0dB is the right setting but some devices might clip getting to close to 0.000000000000000001dB and so the safety rule is -0.3dB

Some DACs use 'oversampling' which invloves interpolating values in-between the actual samples. It is quite possible (esp with heavily compressed material) for these in-between samples to end up larger than full-scale.. lets be realistic anyway, whos going to notice that your tracks are 0.3dB quieter than they could be?

[multree]

So what is the "correct" thing to do?
Master limiter at 0dB
or master limiter at 0.1dB

If you need to limit, then its best to keep the peaks just below full scale.. I tend to use -0.3dBFS myself.

There's nothing wrong with lowering the master fader until the mix buss stops clipping however, and if you plan to master later its a much better idea..

yup right....

and tracktion is pretty cool for that.... you can simply click on the master section, go to properties and then hit... adjust volume based on the loudest peak of the whole edit (or something like that - not RMS though) then export as 32bit and you'll be fine.....

but nonetheless during mixing I tend to have the W1 on the master with a 0.0dB threshold and a -0,3dB ceiling to prevent my hardware from clipping....

be sure to remove those before exporting the unmastered edit though... (even if it won't make much of a difference since the threshold is high enough - but anyway)

[multree]

well actually 0.0dB is the right setting but some devices might clip getting to close to 0.000000000000000001dB and so the safety rule is -0.3dB

Some DACs use 'oversampling' which invloves interpolating values in-between the actual samples. It is quite possible (esp with heavily compressed material) for these in-between samples to end up larger than full-scale.. lets be realistic anyway, whos going to notice that your tracks are 0.3dB quieter than they could be?

ah okay... didn't know that... thank god I use -0.3dB all the time then

[dee ess pee]

well actually 0.0dB is the right setting but some devices might clip getting to close to 0.000000000000000001dB and so the safety rule is -0.3dB

Some DACs use 'oversampling' which invloves interpolating values in-between the actual samples. It is quite possible (esp with heavily compressed material) for these in-between samples to end up larger than full-scale.. lets be realistic anyway, whos going to notice that your tracks are 0.3dB quieter than they could be?

With oversampling limiters, as are most of the good limiters out, this is not a problem.

[IIRs]

but nonetheless during mixing I tend to have the W1 on the master with a 0.0dB threshold and a -0,3dB ceiling to prevent my hardware from clipping....

I prefer to make sure I have plenty of headroom, and turn my monitors up accordingly.. I find it really annoying to turn something up, and up more, and up again, and then realise I had just been hitting the compressor harder..