Bitwig 2.2?

[SLiC]

@SliC

True, there's absolutely something to be said for owning a particular portion of the market, and I think Bitwig does this well. I'm curious, what kinds of things do you think we'll see in the next year or so? Realistically speaking.

Purely speculation....these things have a habit of turning in to personal wish lists but I am pretty confident on the first 2. I am also pretty sure we will keep getting new and fun rack instruments and fx...

Linking Bitwig and hardware seems to be important to the wigs team so I think (hope) they sort out midi multichannel, filters and other think of some new cool stuff.

Comping - dull but nessesery,

People have asked for a drum sequencer...bit dull for the wigs...how about trigger sequencer (can also do VST drums) that does Euclidean or shift register? There is so much creative stuff that can be borrowed from the modular world....

[pdxindy]

Bitwig is still a relatively new DAW and you can only add so much on each revision whilst maintaining stability. So...spend that time making BW more like a traditional DAW (in reality it may never be the best traditional DAW as they are also moving on....) or make it more creative and niche...I think Live has the same issue....people want all the traditional DAW workflow features when that wasn't realy what the Abes set out to make.

All that said, currently BW is the only DAW that for me has the potential to do it all eventually....but I would say they will need at least a couple of years to get there....and who knows what Live 10, Cubasis 10 and Studio One 4 will look like by then....there will always be DAW envy!

I don't want Bitwig to do it all... nor did I want that from Live previously. I used to wish Live would focus on creatively improving what it is already good at, more than add stuff to compete with the established linear DAW's. It could never catch up to Cubase anyway and neither can Bitwig.

So for Bitwig I vote for the more creative and niche.

[SLiC]

I am inclined to agree but the specialist DAW (right DAW for the right job) versus the 'one DAW for everything' argument will rage on. I think for a bedroom producer mainly ITB with just a few live instruments (guitar track, vocal) BWS will be more than enough once they add comping, and if they do add melodyne ARA then it will have the best audio/time correction available (and this is relatively easy to intigrate) - that will cover 99% of my needs. Of course other people have there 'must haves' (time signatures, track delay, midi filters) but there are of course very strong linear DAWs (Cubasis, logic, reaper, s13 etc are all superb in there own way....but if you like to work with clips it currently Live or BWS)

So- currently I work with BWS mainly (as using it with my modular outweighs any disadvantage) but I still use Studio One 3 if I am working on a track that is a more standard arrangement recording multiple musicians/live instruments (where time/pitch correction and comping for takes is the bulk of editing)

If the only difference with BWS was clips + linear, I would fear for its future if Cubasis or Locic etc added clips (as they pretty much coveted all other basis) but now BWS has CV and unified modulation etc, they have carved a niche that would be harder to overshadow...although given the rapid rise of modular and CV I expect other DAWs to cover this base...CV is the new Midi!

[llze]

it is called cubase, thx

[mikoatkvr]

Coming from an Alesis-MMT8 sequencer background , Bitwig is a God send for me [ before Bitwig the only paid for DAW was Renoise and I mostly used LMMS, Ardour, QTractor etc etc ] . Now i kind of have neglected my analogue gear and try to do it all within the software. Today tho I watched a video of Jean Michel Jarre doing a sound test for his concert and thought " f*ck me, that sounds good " , maybe I need to dust off my Roland gear ( Juno-106 , W-30 <sampler/hybrid synth i guess> ) plus others from the attic and see how Bitwig integrates with them.
Ideally now I just want to fire up my laptop and make some half decent music without having to worry about wiring up a lot of hardware. I hope the devs can concentrate on making both sides of the customers/community happy, i.e those that have no synths, controllers etc and those that just have the software itself.

[Echoes in the Attic]

I'm down with more creative as well, but I really want them to do properly the things they do implement, not half-finish them. Their mpe stuff is really annoying compared to other DAWs. And some midi things generally. Fix this stuff first. They have a touch screen mode that isn't finished and screws up pen usage. Fix this too. Then why not get creative with their sampler instrument which could be another differentiator. With all the cool modulation stuff already there, give those modulators something cool to do with samples. Add fades before anything but then give sampler some interesting granular functions.

[llze]

Best to write Support for feature requests

[jonljacobi]

I'm down with more creative as well, but I really want them to do properly the things they do implement, not half-finish them. Their mpe stuff is really annoying compared to other DAWs. And some midi things generally. Fix this stuff first. They have a touch screen mode that isn't finished and screws up pen usage. Fix this too. Then why not get creative with their sampler instrument which could be another differentiator. With all the cool modulation stuff already there, give those modulators something cool to do with samples. Add fades before anything but then give sampler some interesting granular functions.

I don't know if they half-finish some features, have workflow tunnel vision, or something else. As to the Bitwig 2 and the oddball touch interface... The Bitwig 1 interface was what hooked me (especially the scaling), and version 2 really bummed me out.

[stamp]

... workflow tunnel vision...

lol

The Bitwig 1 interface was what hooked me (especially the scaling), and version 2 really bummed me out.

me too. version 1 was a dream to work with. version 2 got click-ridden and now you have to muose around a lot more to do things...
on a positive side Bitwig will be ready when mouses will dissapear...

[jonljacobi]

They've been trying to replace the mouse since it was invented, which I believe was sometime in the 60's. The touchscreen is only a decade younger. The problem with touch or the stylus as input is the strenuous ergonomics. When you're standing in front of a point of sales system, making just the occasional input, it's great. When you're using a tablet with similarly simple and non-taxing usage model, it's great. When you're using the stylus to draw, it's great.

I just finished a couple of weeks with the Surface Studio. I liked it. The stylus was occasionally quite handy. Not enough for me to buy one. I have neck issues so it's not really for me. My only other issue was finding a place to set my mouse with the display lying near flat and still close enough. LOL. My actual usage scenario was primarily as an upright AIO that I occasionally tilted down to draw on. Every once in a blue moon I'd get the urge to perform a different type of action with the stylus. In the end, I got lazy and just left it upright. Old habits.

[josephdbae]

i would LOVE ARA. that would make switch over IMMEDIATELY. if they do implement ARA for Melodyne, i could finally have the perfect DAW. well close enough to perfect.