M3 Tests

[MuTools]

1) If you would have a 'fixed' pencil cursor, then how to select parts/notes?

Errmm...I know you're probably asking something quite simple, but I don't follow.

I mean: In previous versions (and other software), when you have selected a pencil tool, you cannot make selections <-> pencil draws. You have to switch to the arrow tool. Then you can make selections. Then if you want to draw notes again you have to switch to the pencil again. This tool switching all the time is something tedious, imho. That's why i invested a lot of time in looking for a system that can do it all in a fast and flexible way. (Thanks again to everyone who joined the chat on this some time ago) I think the current system is lovely. At the same time i stay open for criticism. Of course one has to realize that there is only a limited amount of 'computer controllers' (1 keyboard, 1 mouse, 3 modifiers) to do it all, and so not everything is possible. It's a matter of getting the best out of the available controllers.
I'm using (music) software for a longer time now, and am very happy with the current tool system, very pleasant, right-brainish i.e. i don't have to think about it, and even that's more worth than the -maybe- little extra fysical effort to do a double-click or hold [Ctrl], imho.

[MachFront]

I mean: In previous versions (and other software), when you have selected a pencil tool, you cannot make selections <-> pencil draws. You have to switch to the arrow tool. Then you can make selections. Then if you want to draw notes again you have to switch to the pencil again. This tool switching all the time is something tedious, imho.

Oh, I see what you mean. It never bothered me. I'm more apt to be using the pencil the overwhelming majority of the time, followed by the eraser and last of all the arrow for selections, in terms of amount of time of use.

Clearly, it's just and only a preference thing. What's fast for me is tedious for you and vise versa.

So, I imagine there's no way a user could set up some sort of hot-key to toggle the tools 'on', to stay on until otherwise commanded?
If not, no sweat.
It won't end my life nor decrease my love of MU.LAB.

I can also appreciate that it must be difficult to 'squeeze' so many controls, parameters, settings, toggles, preferences, etc. into a finite number of keys, clicks and so forth, and I admire that you've been able to do so and still keep it light and quick.

[Branis]

I think the way MULAB 3 works is a big improvement, but if double-clicking is too much of a pain I suggest you get one of A4Tech mice with the double-click button. I have one and I love it. They are pretty good mice anyway.

[MuTools]

So, I imagine there's no way a user could set up some sort of hot-key to toggle the tools 'on', to stay on until otherwise commanded?

No.

But i understand your message. I've added a note on the whishlist and will evaluate in a next r&d cycle.

[liquidsound]

No to disturb the "Status Quo"...

but I am sure that many users are using the
"Create Note" more than "Select multiple Notes".

So then it is easier to have the Ctrl+Select which happens less frequently than Ctrl+Pencil which is the Main tool in the Key editor and this is why you may end up in the future to have more complains by new coming users as well of some current ones...

Nothing is written in stone with you, fortunately...

[cytone]

I like the way it works now as there is consistency between the composer view and key edit view. The less I get confused about what combination of mouse buttons and keys I have to press for each different task the better.

[liquidsound]

I like the way it works now as there is consistency between the composer view and key edit view. The less I get confused about what combination of mouse buttons and keys I have to press for each different task the better.

You bet! Of course you need consistency! I am with you on this...

My point (for the Other Users) is the "Priority" of uses of the Ctrl Key which would be implemented in the Composer as well because it seems more common to "Create" and "Select One" than "Select Many" which brings up the issue of Free Hands...

There was a certain fluid in the M2.7 with "one click Draw note" and I understand those (and REASON) users because I am the one that requested the "Ctrl+ one click draw note" that Jo has KINDLY implemented.

But time will tell on what is best and as you know Jo has already planned an R&D period. This is a very rare thing from a developer, My Hat to that!

[robenestobenz]

Well, the preference is probably split across the same line that broadly divides users into two groups; those who record the majority of their content and those who input it. I'd guess i'm a bit more to the side of recording for example, so i select/modify parts and notes more often than i create them.

For a user with a 50/50 practice type, i'd imagine both select or create on click would be comfortable. Although the current select behaviour does have the added benefit of being consistent with software conventions.

[pyrmusic]

-Thanks Jo for M3 & free upgrade from Version 2 in UL!-

I still have a problem of Latency when I recording Audio :
Mbox digidesign - OSX 10.5 intel

I try to change the AudioSetup.txt (differents things with input latency).
But it seems to have no effect.

Anybody can help me ?

thanks,

pyrmusic

[tugg]

(Minor) bug against Mulab 3.34:
Open Session that uses recordings that are missing for some reason -> Dialog at startup "Couldn't find audio file '(null)'" -> Press "Show" -> Crash, at least on my machine. Always reproduceable.
Grüße
Uwe

[MuTools]

Fixed in the next version, thanks.

[MuTools]

-Thanks Jo for M3 & free upgrade from Version 2 in UL!-

I still have a problem of Latency when I recording Audio :
Mbox digidesign - OSX 10.5 intel

I try to change the AudioSetup.txt (differents things with input latency).
But it seems to have no effect.

Anybody can help me?

Can you please describe the issue in detail (again)?

Also this:

When setting the "PreferredAudioRecordingLatencyCompensation" preference in the audio setup, you can also put a number there, cfr the docs. This MUST make a difference. Note however that the changes in this text file are only reloaded every time the audio engine starts, that is on launch of MU.LAB and each time you go to Edit -> Audio Setup. So if M3 is running, and you change the "PreferredAudioRecordingLatencyCompensation" in a text editor, then save the text file and go to Edit -> Audio Setup and just click ok so to refresh the change. Does this help?

[pyrmusic]

I try to change the AudioSetup.txt (differents things with input latency).
But it seems to have no effect.

Can you please describe the issue in detail (again)?
Also this:
When setting the "PreferredAudioRecordingLatencyCompensation" preference in the audio setup, you can also put a number there, cfr the docs. This MUST make a difference.

In the audio setup, when you choose the Mbox, there's no "PreferredAudioRecordingLatencyCompensation" preference (well there's no preference at all):
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Note however that the changes in this text file are only reloaded every time the audio engine starts, that is on launch of MU.LAB and each time you go to Edit -> Audio Setup.
So if M3 is running, and you change the "PreferredAudioRecordingLatencyCompensation" in a text editor, then save the text file and go to Edit -> Audio Setup and just click ok so to refresh the change.

The AudioSetup.txt contain only :
"CoreAudioDeviceName=Digidesign HW ( MBox )
CpuLoadLimit=90"

So I add "Input=512" or other values (I tried 1000, 5000, 60000 to)
but it seem's to have no effect - Is-it possible that Mbox doesn't allow preference from an other soft that ProTools ? (this is Mbox First generation, may be too old).
I will try with other audio-device this week...
Thanks for your help

[MuTools]

pyrmusic, please see this doc page: http://www.mutools.com/mulab/docs/preferences.html

It contains the info you need to properly set the "PreferredAudioRecordingLatencyCompensation" preference.

If a preference is not yet there in a preference file, it means the default is used, then just add it, cfr the info on the above page.

Also note that this preference is device independent. MU.LAB will compensate by properly setting the Start Locator for the recorded audio files.

[pyrmusic]

pyrmusic, please see this doc page: http://www.mutools.com/mulab/docs/preferences.html
If a preference is not yet there in a preference file, it means the default is used, then just add it, cfr the info on the above page.

Also note that this preference is device independent. MU.LAB will compensate by properly setting the Start Locator for the recorded audio files.

Ok thank you it works now !! (I add PreferredAudioRecordingLatencyCompensation=2048 in the AudioSetup.txt)
I didn't understand how it really works, but now it's ok.
Thank's for your help!..