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djsubject · Post by **djsubject** » Sat Oct 30, 2010 2:59 pm

mid bass better in first pass sub bass better in 2nd pass

i like the extra brightness on the 2'nd pass

All IMO

Subz

keel · Post by **keel** » Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:11 pm

I was sleeping, long sleep, and i miss all the fun

Yes Urs. It has, all 3 osc are in different octave. Sorry, didn't know that you cannot do that. About your samples, suse1 sounds good, but suse2, which is real jp, just sound better. Suse1 would need more lowmid-mid freq or something. But nice job

you getting closer. Keep it up!

hakey · Post by **hakey** » Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:22 pm

hakey wrote:
Urs wrote:Here's my take:

Example 1
Example 2
And here's mine:

Super?

Anywhere near the ballpark/carpark/Yellowstone National Park?

No takers?

keel · Post by **keel** » Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:30 pm

hakey wrote:No takers?

Sounds good to me

VitaminD · Post by **VitaminD** » Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:39 pm

Urs wrote:
keel wrote:
Urs wrote:If at all, post a mp3/wav yourself, along with the MIDI. If it's *dry* (no reverb, no filters, no nothing, just plain oscillators) then I'll happily post the MIDI run through whatever I have at my disposal (software, digital hardware, analog hardware).
Here

http://www.sendspace.com/file/noxico

Rar file contains mp3 on fully dry sound. No filtering. There is also that midi file. Sylenth 1 with 3 osc.
Well, this goes to show that your example doesn't sound like a JP8000 at all (did you tune one of the oscillators an octave up maybe?)

Here's my take:

Example 1
Example 2

One of these is the original JP8000 Supersaw. This can not be achieved by stacking ordinary sawtooth waveforms.

Hmm.. Example 2 has a weird phasey element to the attack of each note.. almost like a retrigger.. Example 1 does not seem to have this.. not sure which is which but I prefer Example 1.

antto · Post by **antto** » Sat Oct 30, 2010 3:46 pm

so, the JP synth is digital..
what's the sampling rate?

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Sat Oct 30, 2010 4:08 pm

keel wrote:I was sleeping, long sleep, and i miss all the fun

Yes Urs. It has, all 3 osc are in different octave. Sorry, didn't know that you cannot do that.

Well, I could, but I would need to add more modules to my development synth. However the JP can't.

About your samples, suse1 sounds good, but suse2, which is real jp, just sound better. Suse1 would need more lowmid-mid freq or something. But nice job you getting closer. Keep it up!

In both examples a real JP is played in turn with a fake JP. You always hear 1 note real, 1 note fake, 1 note real, one note fake, for each out of 6 octaves.

Then, I think the chords are always 1x fake JP then 1 x real JP.

So, to be precise, the fake JP is in Suse1 and in Suse2, and the real JP is in there, too.

blueghost · Post by **blueghost** » Sat Oct 30, 2010 5:10 pm

if I'm writing a text and accidentally delete it is it stored in a log somewhere?

adamszabo · Post by **adamszabo** » Sat Oct 30, 2010 5:25 pm

Urs wrote:One of these is the original JP8000 Supersaw. This can not be achieved by stacking ordinary sawtooth waveforms.

I do not wish to challenge a synth genius like yourself but that is a bold statement

http://www.adamszabo.com/jp/out_of_the_blue.wav (made with my one, i dont know what detune value you had so I set it by ear.)

Urs wrote:The very distinct shape of the JP8000's Supersaw can easily be identified in a scope. It not only sounds different, it also looks different from all other Supersaw implementations I came across.

That wont be the case for too long:
a) is original supersaw
b) is mine
c) is layered for comparison and I shifted them a bit otherwise they will cover each other.

keel · Post by **keel** » Sat Oct 30, 2010 5:30 pm

Hi Adam

You're supersaw sounds good. Is that from which synth?

Urs · Post by **Urs** » Sat Oct 30, 2010 5:47 pm

adamtrance wrote:
Urs wrote:One of these is the original JP8000 Supersaw. This can not be achieved by stacking ordinary sawtooth waveforms.
I do not wish to challenge a synth genius like yourself but that is a bold statement

Sheesh, ok, I'll try to overlay mine at some point. Yet I don't believe that the JP uses ordinary sawtooths

bwwd · Post by **bwwd** » Sat Oct 30, 2010 5:51 pm

IMO you nailed it Urs but there is strange loop going on in Suse2 on 0:25 in second note.Well it exist in first too but its not so audible for me.It sounds like saws in JP are traveling slower than in your soft emu.

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Sat Oct 30, 2010 5:55 pm

we've been over this BS about "super-supersaws". it's a 12db highpass filter with some resonance. big deal.

Architeuthis · Post by **Architeuthis** » Sat Oct 30, 2010 6:09 pm

For the "little detune" example, I'm thinking I like the sound of Pass 2, definitely sounds better on the low notes, less flangy, crisper sound.

-Please expiriment with oscillator drift speed and amount when the time comes. JP8000 probably didn't have this feature, but it's what makes heavy detuning sound right.

-This is why I will say that the "quite detuned" example, both passes sounded horrible to my ears. No oscillator drift.

-With heavy detuning, take note that the bass notes sound good and as you get higher in pitch it sounds worse and worse. Another feature to add would be keyboard-tracking detuning.

bwwd · Post by **bwwd** » Sat Oct 30, 2010 6:14 pm

kyetrack detune sounds cool, i like the idea

Supersaw!