Initiative to help the less fortunate obtain legit software and help spread the love. Seriously.

[aciddose]

Well let's just start with what we can do instead of complaining.

motivating that kind of response is the intention i have when i complain

i've donated free software to tens of thousands (hard to measure) since 1999.

[xamido]

Well let's just start with what we can do instead of complaining.

motivating that kind of response is the intention i have when i complain

i've donated free software to tens of thousands (hard to measure) since 1999.

My msg just now is not to start a race of who donate more actually, it's just an intro for my idea.

My reply is actually an idea which i deem possible. I offer people who have live lite to donate it to others who needs a simple DAW. I'm sure a lot of us have some of this license hanging around in our house.

[standalone]

Well let's just start with what we can do instead of complaining.

motivating that kind of response is the intention i have when i complain

i've donated free software to tens of thousands (hard to measure) since 1999.

Haven't you heard your dearly friend the warez kiddie? You can stick your free plugins to your ass, he wants Cubase.

[aciddose]

my point wasn't who can donate more, i was just trying to point out there are some more and some less effective ways to accomplish your goals.

not everyone will want to make donations.
not everyone will want to spend time.

there are many areas which the community can benefit from greater participation:

- funding (donations, software gifts or prizes)
- publicity (discussions, news reporting, reporting of personal experiences)
- contribution (creation of free software, presets, samples, sequences)
- teaching (creation of tutorials, lists, collections, examples)
- motivation (showing support, sharing the product you produce, becoming involved more directly in community)

kvr handles some aspects already:
funding, publicity, teaching and motivation.

you might say the dsp and presets forums provide contributions, but really they don't. it's very difficult for a forum to organize those sorts of things. promotion of open source, kvr "branded" free software and so on may help. it starts to include many issues of fairness though when you do those things.

so i think we all have ben to thank more than many may realize. perhaps such initiatives are not published or discussed frequently here, but their effects can be widely seen.

if your focus is too narrow (on decreasing the use of warez, for example) you'll severely limit yourself and possibly do harm as well as good, even if unintended.

just look at crackers for example: the intention to provide warez to those who can't otherwise afford software and to spread knowledge and educate one's self is a noble one indeed. the problem is the side-effect that in doing so you also facilitate greed and damage the sales of the products you work with.

the same complications exist no matter what you do.

i'm not trying to say you shouldn't do such things - i only hope that people will take into consideration when their actions are truly for good, and when they are not. every action should be carefully considered and you can never see all ends.

[aciddose]

Well let's just start with what we can do instead of complaining.

motivating that kind of response is the intention i have when i complain

i've donated free software to tens of thousands (hard to measure) since 1999.

Haven't you heard your dearly friend the warez kiddie? You can stick your free plugins to your ass, he wants Cubase.

yes. so we can see that warez harms not only commercial software but also does great damage to the free software ecosystem!

yet, i'm very glad that if what i provide doesn't do enough, warez is available to satisfy those who want it.

i'm not insulted when someone doesn't benefit from my work. yet, neither am i insulted when they do even if they haven't paid me to do so.

the fact is my efforts do benefit many, many people if only in a very small way. it's unfortunate that i can't do more.

do your best. the forest would be awfully silent if no bird sang but the best.

[Rathead]

Well let's just start with what we can do instead of complaining.

motivating that kind of response is the intention i have when i complain

i've donated free software to tens of thousands (hard to measure) since 1999.

Haven't you heard your dearly friend the warez kiddie? You can stick your free plugins to your ass, he wants Cubase.

Yeah, I've got a live lite I got with some Behringer shitbox. Happy to mail it anywhere in the world for free. Just let me know who needs it most. Happy to include a CM magazine CD full of freewares also. (License abuse? Don't think so...) Wouldn't dream of redistributing free-but-copyright material.

The warez kiddie isn't the target for this effort, methinks. I don't beleive a nail-laden 4x2 (100mm x 50mm for my metric friends) would get through to him.
Lost cause. Move on.

The honest toilers can put up their hands. Maybe the warez kiddie (damn his blackened soul) won't bother asking for cheap crap he could easily pirate. Maybe the only people who will ask are those who might actually value a two-versions-old-but-still-legit piece of software.

The alternative is to give up hope, then the warez kiddie and his mates beat us all.

Promote freeware and try to support all honest seekers with giftware.

If the co%^sucker wants Cubase 6 he will get it from a torrent. You can't stop him. Look rather to those who WANT to be good.

My 2 cents (0.7446 cents seasonally adjusted).

Baron von Rat

[DreamTrance]

Well let's just start with what we can do instead of complaining.

motivating that kind of response is the intention i have when i complain

i've donated free software to tens of thousands (hard to measure) since 1999.

Haven't you heard your dearly friend the warez kiddie? You can stick your free plugins to your ass, he wants Cubase.

I dont want be Warez Kid but i dont say that i want Cubase 6 from someone .

I just asked for second handed use to buy cheaper if i can


I'm just down

[izonin]

In an imaginary situation where people don't get banned for violating the forum rules, I'd say that it's better for kids to stay in their rooms and play WoW or make dubstep on a warezed FL, than do drugs on the street.

[standalone]

In an imaginary situation where people don't get banned for violating the forum rules, I'd say that it's better for kids to stay in their rooms and play WoW or make dubstep on a warezed FL, than do drugs on the street.

Or stoning dogs to dead.

[DreamTrance]

In an imaginary situation where people don't get banned for violating the forum rules, I'd say that it's better for kids to stay in their rooms and play WoW or make dubstep on a warezed FL, than do drugs on the street.

How old are you ?

[paterpeter]

I personally doubt that the most important thing "poor" people need is software. And I also doubt that people will jump through hoops to apply for "sponsored" software if they don't have the moral insight that using warez is bad in the first place. As long as it is the easiest and fastest way to simply use warez, those people will choose that way.

We are not talking about stealing bread from the store because you don't have anything to eat. We are talking about stealing caviar from the store because the bread and cake you are given for free isn't enough.

Or to put it differently: with the free and cheap stuff available, there is nobody who is "in need" of any audio software and there is NO excuse for using warez. Any payware is pure luxury. Of course payware might be more powerful and you reeeeaaaalllly want it and what not. But there isn't a Ferrari Foundation either because I'm "in need" of a sports car, right?

If you want to donate: donate to the developers that provide free software. Or even better: donate to people who cannot support their most basic needs in life.

That being said, I do agree that it would be great to give software to talented musicians for free. E.g. if somebody really shows off his talent in a contest like OSC. Nothing wrong with that.


And maybe most importantly: ttoz, I really appreciate what you're trying to do here. I may not agree, but IMO it really honors you that you care and try to make a change. Keep up your enthusiasm!

Regards,
Andre

[izonin]

In an imaginary situation where people don't get banned for violating the forum rules, I'd say that it's better for kids to stay in their rooms and play WoW or make dubstep on a warezed FL, than do drugs on the street.

How old are you ?

Old enough for Giant Steps

[DreamTrance]

In an imaginary situation where people don't get banned for violating the forum rules, I'd say that it's better for kids to stay in their rooms and play WoW or make dubstep on a warezed FL, than do drugs on the street.

How old are you ?

Old enough for Giant Steps

by the way , i'm not kid , i'm 26 years old student at graduate .

[glokraw]

is there any one who sell " second hand used " Cubase Element 6 with a legal ? [incl. USB-eLicenser]

At least half of the cost , like that.

{I dont know it is legal way or not] If i'm wrong , Warn me please .

edit: Cubase Elements 6 is not an OEM product, available at retail,
but Cubase 6 LE is OEM, so not for resale without the hardware it shipped with.

http://www.soundslive.co.uk/product~nam ... ~15415.asp 49Euro

http://www.steinberg.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=25&t=191

Cheers

[aciddose]

We are not talking about stealing bread from the store because you don't have anything

no, we're talking about looking through the fence at that statue in your neighbor's garden because you think it looks lovely.

if the neighbor didn't build a high enough fence to stop you looking out your second floor window, that's his problem.

he could also put the statue inside and close the curtains.

he paid for this statue to enjoy looking at it in his garden, you didn't pay anything and it isn't even your garden!

what benefit would he have though for blocking your view? absolutely none, other than to feel smug like the asshole he is.