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thebaggytrouseredone · Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:15 pm

To start of I don't agree with downloading illegally but I have heard of people using torrent sites to download Loopmasters packs and other packs.

How can you tell what was bought and downloaded legally and what wasn't?

I pay for my sample packs or download free packs, use freesound.org and archive.org, there is no need to download illegally.

mellotronaut · Post by **mellotronaut** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:27 pm

registrations, accounts, receipts, original cds or dvds

jupiter8 · Post by **jupiter8** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:30 pm

Prove to who and why ?

penguinfromdeep · Post by **penguinfromdeep** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:44 pm

Yeah, proving to who? I don't know actually if there has been such cases in the past (sample company suing somebody using illegally downloaded content in a released track) , would be interesting to know in fact ... But how to prove it? Sample makers don't have the resources to ask from any person who used their samples for the original receipt etc ... Quite a hassle

disclaimer: I am totally against downloading & using illegally downloaded samples in commercial work, no less because I work in the sample business myself!

Aloysius · Post by **Aloysius** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:49 pm

Well, unless you're lying to yourself, then you know if you downloaded something illegally or not.

Then again, you can't always tell that what you purchased in good faith is actually legal.

What I mean is: I purchased a sample pack from a well known provider. On listening through the material, I noticed a particular sample (a vocal line) that was obviously lifted from an old chart hit.

thebaggytrouseredone · Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:51 pm

I was just wondering as people using illegally downloaded samples get to use the content for free and us honest people pay for ours and if they can get away with it then it just annoys me that i'm paying for something that others are using for free and no one notices the difference.

cryophonik · Post by **cryophonik** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:53 pm

thebaggytrouseredone wrote:...and no one notices the difference.

The developer's bank account does.

Meffy · Post by **Meffy** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:53 pm

It annoys you. It annoys me. It annoys everyone who's legit.

Aloysius wrote:Well, unless you're lying to yourself, then you know if you downloaded something illegally or not.

There y'go.

thebaggytrouseredone · Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:56 pm

cryophonik wrote:
thebaggytrouseredone wrote:...and no one notices the difference.
The developer's bank account does.

I realise the developer would know and I guess this is the same argument as using warez software, because on a finished track who would know what was legally used and what wasn't.

penguinfromdeep · Post by **penguinfromdeep** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:56 pm

thebaggytrouseredone wrote:I was just wondering as people using illegally downloaded samples get to use the content for free and us honest people pay for ours and if they can get away with it then it just annoys me that i'm paying for something that others are using for free and no one notices the difference.

Unfortunately I think they do get away with it. But you should feel good about buying the samples, it keeps the developers going.

Tricky-Loops · Post by **Tricky-Loops** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:57 pm

Aloysius wrote:Well, unless you're lying to yourself, then you know if you downloaded something illegally or not.

Then again, you can't always tell that what you purchased in good faith is actually legal.

What I mean is: I purchased a sample pack from a well known provider. On listening through the material, I noticed a particular sample (a vocal line) that was obviously lifted from an old chart hit.

That's the cause why I avoid uncleared samples, for example from Looperman. If I have bad luck, if something is from an well known song, then I have a problem...

Would be interesting to know how much people are being sued because of illegal sample downloads...

mgpqa1 · Post by **mgpqa1** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:16 pm

Not exactly the same "type" of samples the OP is talking about, but Cinesamples was awarded a lot of money in a digital piracy suit not too long ago:
http://soniccontrol.tv/2012/03/11/calif ... racy-suit/

IIRC, they used digital watermarking to trace things:
http://www.vi-control.net/forum/viewtop ... 60#3618160

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:25 pm

what i'd like to know is how you prove the samples you bought were not already stolen from someone else by the person who made the pack.

(the term 'ripped' has been used rather than 'stolen' to emphasize the fact that the use of the term 'stolen' is completely incorrect.)

Tricky-Loops · Post by **Tricky-Loops** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:30 pm

mgpqa1 wrote:Not exactly the same "type" of samples the OP is talking about, but Cinesamples was awarded a lot of money in a digital piracy suit not too long ago:
http://soniccontrol.tv/2012/03/11/calif ... racy-suit/

IIRC, they used digital watermarking to trace things:
http://www.vi-control.net/forum/viewtop ... 60#3618160

That's a very confusing news. On one sentence he is called Mr. Casas, on the other Mr. Vargas and in the beginning Mr. Pablo Vargas Casas. It sounds as if there were two different persons.

Wildfunk · Post by **Wildfunk** » Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:50 pm

penguinfromdeep wrote:I don't know actually if there has been such cases in the past (sample company suing somebody using illegally downloaded content in a released track)

This takes time and money and only makes sense if you're in the same country as the "bad guy".

It's more effective to take down the whole release everywhere (YouTube, SoundCloud, Beatport, ...) with the help of the DMCA

Proving use of legally bought samples