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aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Fri May 04, 2012 12:45 pm

2^12, not counting zero gives 4095 scales. doesn't it?

where does anyone come up with 462?

coquillo · Post by **coquillo** » Fri May 04, 2012 12:50 pm

L-Stance wrote:cheers for the input people, jus was wondering if there was a plugin that might give me a hand learning a bit more about intervals and scales etc.

As somebody already said Ableton Live and probably most other daws have MIDI tools that allow you manipulate intervals and scales but they won't teach you as such.

But there are loads of standalone music theory programs.

coquillo · Post by **coquillo** » Fri May 04, 2012 12:54 pm

aciddose wrote:2^12, not counting zero gives 4095 scales. doesn't it?

where does anyone come up with 462?

Quite right. I was referring just to the 7 note scales, I didn't want to seem too alarmist

L-Stance · Post by **L-Stance** » Fri May 04, 2012 12:55 pm

coquillo wrote:
L-Stance wrote:cheers for the input people, jus was wondering if there was a plugin that might give me a hand learning a bit more about intervals and scales etc.
As somebody already said Ableton Live and probably most other daws have MIDI tools that allow you manipulate intervals and scales but they won't teach you as such.

But there are loads of standalone music theory programs.

Thanks mate, didnt know anyone used yahoo anymore! haha

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Fri May 04, 2012 1:12 pm

coquillo wrote:
aciddose wrote:2^12, not counting zero gives 4095 scales. doesn't it?

where does anyone come up with 462?
Quite right. I was referring just to the 7 note scales, I didn't want to seem too alarmist

even so, there are not 4095 scales as many of those will just be transpositions of others. for example 1001 (0, 3) is a pattern that can occur at 12-4+1 different offsets and only one of those offsets is valid, starting from the root note so only offset = 0 would be valid.

i don't think you can simply take 12!/(n!(12-n)!) for every n 1 to 12 because it would still contain duplicates.

coquillo · Post by **coquillo** » Fri May 04, 2012 1:36 pm

Oops. 4095 is the number of chords without rotational isomorphism (2 to the 12th -1)

There are 2048 n-note scales for all n(=2 to the 11th)

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Fri May 04, 2012 1:56 pm

wolframalpha.com

weird though, i didn't expect that. only ordered combinations with a fixed base happens to be 2^12/2?

jancivil · Post by **jancivil** » Fri May 04, 2012 8:17 pm

coquillo wrote:
L-Stance wrote:cheers for the input people, jus was wondering if there was a plugin that might give me a hand learning a bit more about intervals and scales etc.
As somebody already said Ableton Live and probably most other daws have MIDI tools that allow you manipulate intervals and scales but they won't teach you as such.

But there are loads of standalone music theory programs.

and the implementation is incoherent, apparently.

Keith99 · Post by **Keith99** » Fri May 04, 2012 8:47 pm

I have a windows app I wrote a while back to help me with music theory (programming the maths really helped me understand the theory) . Anyway I never thought of sharing it as it is rather rough but this thread has made me think it could be helpful to others so I will tidy it up a bit and put a link up when done. It is not a VST although I guess it could be made into one.

Is there really no plugin for a Scales database?