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Aloysius · Post by **Aloysius** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 7:01 pm

BlackWinny wrote:I'd like to get some impressions about LuSH-101 that I look as a possible future purchase. It has just been quickly cited without deeper impressions or comments.

Have some of you bought it?... and could give us personal reviews about it reliability? And for this VST may we use "accurate emulation"? "close emulation"? "rather well inspired"?

With kind and interesting arguments of course...

You could start here:

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... sc&start=0

Where is the love for D16 Lush 101?

BlackWinny · Post by **BlackWinny** » Tue Oct 22, 2013 7:32 pm

Ok. After I have read bld post, I'll wait for the confirmation of that is done to go to.

Sure that in between I'll purchase TAL Bassline 101, having used the freeware TAL Bassline yet for a long while.

That's a first point.

Now, I come back to the question about its quality of emulation of the original Roland SH-101, in terms of technical elements chosen in its global development and in the use of its VCs (DCs), and in terms of accuracy... faith to the original hardware.

Comments from ones and others about that point compared to the original hardware?

fluffy_little_something · Sun Oct 27, 2013 2:17 pm

Was just watching this excellent live version (I only knew the studio version, must have listened to it a thousand times) of an old Talk Talk song and I noticed they used only Roland synths on this song, i.e. several Jupiter 8 and a JX-3P if I am not mistaken. They used the sounds very well, especially the sound at 4:20. I wonder if emulations can produce that distorted guitar sound authentically...

ENV1 · Post by **ENV1** » Sun Oct 27, 2013 3:01 pm

fluffy_little_something wrote:I noticed they used only Roland synths on this song, i.e. several Jupiter 8 and a JX-3P if I am not mistaken.

The top one is a DX7, i.e. not Roland.

fluffy_little_something · Sun Oct 27, 2013 3:06 pm

Yes, I know, but they did not seem to use it, unless maybe as a Midi slave. But the sounds are very analog so I don't think they used it for that song.

ENV1 · Post by **ENV1** » Sun Oct 27, 2013 3:14 pm

fluffy_little_something wrote:I don't think they used it for that song.

Ah, my mistake.

(Theyve used it on though. Same concert, also has the synth e-guitar again starting at 4:43)

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sun Oct 27, 2013 3:33 pm

fluffy_little_something wrote:They used the sounds very well, especially the sound at 4:20. I wonder if emulations can produce that distorted guitar sound authentically...

There is a Preset called "Dist Guitar" in the JX-3P:
http://www.synthmania.com/jx-3p.htm

AFAIK some people used external FXs (e.g. Distortion, Fuzz Drive etc.) with that kind of sounds sound to make it more distorted.

Herer is a demo of a factory presett in the Waldorf Pulse 2 that uses the built-in Fuzz Drive (no additional external FXs):
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/532 ... r%20RL.mp3

This Organ preset in the Pulse 2 uses the Fuzz Drive too:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/532 ... 1%20CG.mp3

I guess you could get such sound when playing a softsynth trough an Amp simulation plugin like e.g. Gutar Rig (or several others).

I found that Jan Hammer for his Guitar sound in Crockett's theme seemed to use a MemoryMoog trough a distortion pedal and guitar amp. Hints about doing that Memorymoog patch are here (have not checked yet but should be possible with e.g. Diva, Memorymoon or several other synths):
http://forums.musicplayer.com/ubbthread ... lead_sound

An additional Distortion FX should be necessary for that sound.

Ingo

crimsonwarlock · Post by **crimsonwarlock** » Sun Oct 27, 2013 4:53 pm

Ingonator wrote:I found that Jan Hammer for his Guitar sound in Crockett's theme seemed to use a MemoryMoog trough a distortion pedal and guitar amp.

From the man himself; it doesn't really matter what synth to use for that kind of sound.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sun Oct 27, 2013 6:37 pm

crimsonwarlock wrote:
Ingonator wrote:I found that Jan Hammer for his Guitar sound in Crockett's theme seemed to use a MemoryMoog trough a distortion pedal and guitar amp.
From the man himself; it doesn't really matter what synth to use for that kind of sound.

The point is that you need a kind of Distortion FX and/or Amp for that kind of sound. The Memorymoog was the synth used originally for that track from Han Hammer.

Ingo

Numanoid · Post by **Numanoid** » Thu Nov 21, 2013 7:02 pm

Add UVX-10P to the list: http://www.uvi.net/en/vintage-corner/uvx-10p.html

An UVI mash up of the JX-10, MKS-70 and JX-8P synths

fluffy_little_something · Thu Nov 21, 2013 8:34 pm

Oops, did not get a notification for this thread, thus I did not see your recent posts, sorry.
Yes, that Hammer stuff sure sounds distorted

But in a negative, cheap way in my view, there is no mystic element like on the Talk Talk patch, just noise. Seems Hammer used a square wave, which often sounds trashy with distortion.

I will try the Talk Talk patch on Tarkus (which has a nice distortion feature) tomorrow, I had totally forgotten about it

Gee, I hope that JX-10 emulation sounds better than the original. I had the 8P, and never liked its sound. I would have preferred the 3P instead, which had components from Roland's bigger synths and sounded accordingly.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Fri Nov 22, 2013 8:08 am

fluffy_little_something wrote: Gee, I hope that JX-10 emulation sounds better than the original. I had the 8P, and never liked its sound. I would have preferred the 3P instead, which had components from Roland's bigger synths and sounded accordingly.

The JX-8P emulation from Martin Lüders is awesome IMO and while it is free it is done with C++ and not in SE:

https://sites.google.com/site/mlvst0/

The UVI synth like all their other stuff is sample based so it does not include a model of the filter etc. opposing to the free synth from Martin.

The only advantage of the UVI synth is that it is also available for MacOS.

I just have added the new UVI synth to the list.

Ingo

sergiofrias · Post by **sergiofrias** » Fri Nov 22, 2013 8:12 am

+1 for JX-8P

DrGonzo · Post by **DrGonzo** » Fri Nov 22, 2013 8:16 am

Ingonator wrote:The only advantage of the UVI synth is that it is also available for MacOS.

Although UVIs sample based synths indeed doesn't emulate all aspects as a real softsynt does - but I must say I'm a bit of a fan of their stuff. Generally the presets are great and give you the sound (well - close enough) you want pretty much straight away. On top of that - I personally think Mach5 is one hell of a underrated sampler. Much much much better than Kontakt.

But not an exact emulation - no.

/C

martin_l · Post by **martin_l** » Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:20 am

Ingonator wrote: The JX-8P emulation from Martin Lüders is awesome IMO and while it is free it is done with C++ and not in SE:

https://sites.google.com/site/mlvst0/

The only advantage of the UVI synth is that it is also available for MacOS.

Ingo

I should correct that in the current version of the pg-8x, SynthEdit is used for the GUI, but the DSP stuff is mostly done in custom modules, written in C++ and SSE assembly.

I am working on a fully native version (including Mac), but the development was basically halted for some month due to high real-life workload, family and refurbishments in the house. I hope to be able to continue very soon.

Cheers,
Martin

Emulations of Roland gear (synths, drum machines and FXs)