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Tonberry · Post by **Tonberry** » Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:30 pm

Arkma, there's a well-presented list of new features on their download page:

http://reaper.fm/download.php

The website is working slow now so you may need to wait a moment, everyone's downloading new version.

chokehold · Post by **chokehold** » Wed Aug 12, 2015 6:32 pm

arkmabat wrote:Anything regarding pitch/time correction yet? Reaper is a very good bang for your buck but I'm kind of waiting on that.

Auto-transient-detection and stretch markers plus ReaTune?

lfm · Post by **lfm** » Wed Aug 12, 2015 7:51 pm

Reaper is a good daw, no doubt. Among the best.

But disappointed that there is no expand on import formats like OMF/AAF.
Now it's only EDL like Samplitude is listed among import formats, but dropped as export which I have in 4.7.

And no notation, or MusicXml as I recall.

So still $60 on Reaper and $200 for AATranslator to get things over.

V0RT3X · Post by **V0RT3X** » Wed Aug 12, 2015 11:56 pm

Wow this is a insightful interview with the creator of Reaper.

Introduction to the Developer.

EnGee · Post by **EnGee** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 1:00 am

It is a wonderful DAW especially if you invest in customizing it. It is still not my main one, but I already invested some time learning/customizing it and I have license till the 6th. I wished that the shortcuts in navigation are easier, but not a biggie.

I think the notation will come in a future update according to a main developer, but no idea when exactly!

Ok, let's me search for the Waldorf Attack's map now

loachm · Post by **loachm** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 1:41 am

...I have been looking into Reaper for serveral weeks now. Not that deep at the moment, since I haven't had the time. But from what I read and see in videos, I'm seriously impressed and I'm thinking about it. Is there anything that's really speaking against it? If I get into it I'd like to check what's considered its downsides first.

Thanks!

arkmabat · Post by **arkmabat** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 3:01 am

chokehold wrote:
arkmabat wrote:Anything regarding pitch/time correction yet? Reaper is a very good bang for your buck but I'm kind of waiting on that.
Auto-transient-detection and stretch markers plus ReaTune?

Where can I read about the transient detection?!

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 4:12 am

loachm wrote:If I get into it I'd like to check what's considered its downsides first.

I own a Reaper license.

Hell of a time learning or configuring anything. With the defaults the thing is pretty much useless for anything more advanced and so you're going to need to manually configure things. One good thing is there are lots of options for customizations others have already made that you can import, so this is at least partially solved in that way. My own opinion however is that it sucks and all the options I have from others are not good options.

With something like Cubase there will be many things I disagree with, but for the main use of the tool none that I'm very strongly in disagreement with. Reaper on the other hand is really designed for someone who wants to put a massive amount of effort into customizing, or at least picking skins/settings someone else has already customized.

The thing that bothers me most about Reaper is it doesn't have real-time (monitoring) latency compensation. Instead the latency compensation is a manual setting you need to adjust for offset of audio tracks after they're recorded. This makes it very difficult to use Reaper in real-time where you have a combination of live monitored inputs and plugins controlled by sequence.

Reaper is supposedly designed specifically for this use and yet this is where it lacks most.

There are also many core features that you will need to work around such as the old-school tape monitoring configuration.

Also, recent investigation in Reaper shows it still has some annoying bugs. For example try a non-ASCII username like "テスト" (create a user with this name in Windows) and you'll find Reaper has a few issues with error message popups.

I've found that if you try to report this sort of issue your only option is the forum. You'll likely be attacked by forum goons while having the bug completely ignored. Due to that I'm not going to report this bug.

Forum goons who suggest to work around the issue, for example: "Oh, you get sunburn when you go outside? Don't go outside then." I'm sure sunscreen would have never been invented if the world were populated entirely by goons like this. Goons with very large sombreros.

I purchased the license after holding back on it for two reasons:

I refused to buy it until certain bugs were fixed. These are still not fixed and I suspect will never be fixed.
I didn't want to purchase a license I would never use, I said until I produce at least one serious track using the Reaper demo and feel satisfied, I shouldn't bother with a license. I still haven't produced one serious track.

I feel I shouldn't have.

blueman · Post by **blueman** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 4:34 am

Another version, another missed opportunity to create a complete GUI that is cohesive with smooth workflow out of the box. Great concept for a DAW, but I will never understand this group's adversity to UI design. The entire platform is built on the premise that many UI elements are secondary, relying on default windows/menus, checkboxes, lists, and scrolling to patch together a clumsy workflow. The modular design is wonderful, but out of the box it still completely fails to inspire creativity in me

Tonberry · Post by **Tonberry** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 7:08 am

It not only fails to inspire creativity out of the box, it absolutely kills it! Their philosophy is as much customizability as possible and they're probably not going to change the course to the Ease of Use Out of the Box island anytime soon. The promise is that you can work out a divine workflow for yourself with enough work put into developing it. User really pays for this cheap licence by spending a lot of time tweaking the program to his liking (it's a full time job for a short while and then slight optimizing for a long time if someone really wants that perfection), but given how much time he can save later when making music and how comfortable he can feel doing it, it's definitely worth if. Of course provided that the program's quirks and bugs don't stop him. But then there's extended list of "major WTF" for every daw out there, it's about which ones are priorities for a specific user.

Hank the Knife · Post by **Hank the Knife** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 8:17 am

Wow hills have eyes! Apparently Reaper devs haven't

EnGee · Post by **EnGee** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 9:06 am

I don't think the workflow is that bad really! Is it?
Do you like 'Hidden objects' games? You will be at home if 'yes'

Seriously, I still prefer Studio One, but Reaper has always this attraction for me (for the geek side of mine! I might delve into its scripting language if I feel more geeky than now! ). It also needs some patience, once you understand the whole 'mess' or 'philosophy' whatever you call it, it begins to make sense that you customize it step by step.

For example, today I didn't find Attack's drums map. Not a problem since I have the le version so only 12 names per kit. Normally after you switch to Names mode, you think if you right click (some modifier + left/right click) will let you write the name of the drum say "Bass Drum" in C1 for example. No luck! So, I needed to go through menu - sub menu - ..etc to find the command to rename the note. I found that really tedious for every time I rename a note! No way!
So, I searched the command 'Rename Current Note' in my customized toolbar in the added action and assign a shortcut for it as well. OK, Done! Now it is very easy and I can use the icon in the toolbar or just hit the shortcut in my keys to do it like in the image below:

https://app.box.com/s/b5jpjytefpb8oxhyk5eevk6leh9f983y

So, for me this is the way to work with Reaper, and it is a great DAW really. My favourite with S1

Hank the Knife · Post by **Hank the Knife** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 10:10 am

I take my words back. Just dld the Eyssina theme. Looks like Cubase, I think

lfm · Post by **lfm** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 10:12 am

Tonberry wrote:It not only fails to inspire creativity out of the box, it absolutely kills it! Their philosophy is as much customizability as possible and they're probably not going to change the course to the Ease of Use Out of the Box island anytime soon. The promise is that you can work out a divine workflow for yourself with enough work put into developing it. User really pays for this cheap licence by spending a lot of time tweaking the program to his liking (it's a full time job for a short while and then slight optimizing for a long time if someone really wants that perfection), but given how much time he can save later when making music and how comfortable he can feel doing it, it's definitely worth if. Of course provided that the program's quirks and bugs don't stop him. But then there's extended list of "major WTF" for every daw out there, it's about which ones are priorities for a specific user.

You certainly got a point there - customization is extended compared to many daws.

When I bought Reaper it was v3.6 in 2010( a bit buggy), but used it for a while a v4.2. But they really could have made some basic toolbars that did most basic stuff to lower threshold a bit for newcomers. To read up on all those command actions when just starting using a daw is really uphill.

Some select daws from shipped content and plugins, and those will be a bit short of goodies too selecting Reaper. No problem for me though.

I saw one thing that made my heart doublebeat, patterns for metronome - maybe like Digital Performer has, haven't looked yet. Will check in manual.

And I hoped for seing Reaper among supported daws at Waves - but not so far. I have some plugins that don't work in Reaper, one reason I stopped using it.

OMF/AAF support, notation and Waves supported - I'll probably have a look again at Reaper. But all that is probably major version stuff only, so another four years ahead or so looking at history. Nothing much happends in between.

do_androids_dream · Post by **do_androids_dream** » Thu Aug 13, 2015 12:21 pm

aciddose wrote:
loachm wrote:If I get into it I'd like to check what's considered its downsides first.
I own a Reaper license.

Hell of a time learning or configuring anything. With the defaults the thing is pretty much useless for anything more advanced and so you're going to need to manually configure things. One good thing is there are lots of options for customizations others have already made that you can import, so this is at least partially solved in that way. My own opinion however is that it sucks and all the options I have from others are not good options.

With something like Cubase there will be many things I disagree with, but for the main use of the tool none that I'm very strongly in disagreement with. Reaper on the other hand is really designed for someone who wants to put a massive amount of effort into customizing, or at least picking skins/settings someone else has already customized.

The thing that bothers me most about Reaper is it doesn't have real-time (monitoring) latency compensation. Instead the latency compensation is a manual setting you need to adjust for offset of audio tracks after they're recorded. This makes it very difficult to use Reaper in real-time where you have a combination of live monitored inputs and plugins controlled by sequence.

Reaper is supposedly designed specifically for this use and yet this is where it lacks most.

There are also many core features that you will need to work around such as the old-school tape monitoring configuration.

Also, recent investigation in Reaper shows it still has some annoying bugs. For example try a non-ASCII username like "テスト" (create a user with this name in Windows) and you'll find Reaper has a few issues with error message popups.

I've found that if you try to report this sort of issue your only option is the forum. You'll likely be attacked by forum goons while having the bug completely ignored. Due to that I'm not going to report this bug.

Forum goons who suggest to work around the issue, for example: "Oh, you get sunburn when you go outside? Don't go outside then." I'm sure sunscreen would have never been invented if the world were populated entirely by goons like this. Goons with very large sombreros.

I purchased the license after holding back on it for two reasons:

I refused to buy it until certain bugs were fixed. These are still not fixed and I suspect will never be fixed.

I didn't want to purchase a license I would never use, I said until I produce at least one serious track using the Reaper demo and feel satisfied, I shouldn't bother with a license. I still haven't produced one serious track.
I feel I shouldn't have.

Seems like you're saying it sucks because it isn't a different piece of software. Like saying a Porsche sucks because it isn't a Lamborghini. Reaper is all that it ever set out to be - a very customisable DAW. I would say it's succeeded very well in that regard. To remain super stable and allow the customisability is a small wonder to me.

Reaper 5?