Diva vs Analogue - a real world test

[Mutant]

And if you simply don't find different sounds warm or cold or sharp or whatever to begin with, maybe you have cognitive issues

A sound is a sound, it is not "warm".
If it is, then define its temperature in C or F.

My understanding of "warm" as used and meant by people in audio and synth context: rich in low and mid frequencies, with fairly even frequency spectrum curve without any bigger spikes and rolling off smoothly at the high end, possibly sligthly overdriven (real analogs which we often describe with that word, naturally overdrive the sound at different stages).
But someone else may have a different definition of "warm".

And a sound is not "snappy", but has short attack and decay and low sustain, while the main volume is set to sub max level (that is one of the definitions i got from reading that "snappiest envelopes" thread).
But someone else may have a different definition of "snappy".

Would be much easier to communicate here if no one used all those vague or even sometimes meaningless words.
This is why i don't use these words.

[aciddose]

And if you simply don't find different sounds warm or cold or sharp or whatever to begin with, maybe you have cognitive issues

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synesthesia

Actually...

Although often termed a "neurological condition," synesthesia is not listed in either the DSM-IV or the ICD since it most often does not interfere with normal daily functioning. Indeed, most synesthetes report that their experiences are neutral or even pleasant. Like perfect pitch, synesthesia is simply a difference in perceptual experience.

So it seems you've got that backward. People who experience synesthesia have cognitive issues.

[fluffy_little_something]

But that is the very point of it, we use words that everyone knows and associates a certain content with in order to avoid clumsy descriptions.

Why would we not refer to a sound as warm, when we use warm to describe all kinds of things without measuring temperature? Warm colors, warm people, warm feelings, etc.

[aciddose]

Stop attempting to rationalize it.

In truth the reason people use these terms is because they do not understand the subject they are discussing and lack the technical lexicon required to describe things accurately.

If as you say we all agreed upon the meaning of these terms, they would be the accurate, technical terms.

[trimph1]

Don't be dissin' poets here!!!

[fluffy_little_something]

And if you simply don't find different sounds warm or cold or sharp or whatever to begin with, maybe you have cognitive issues

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synesthesia

Actually...

Although often termed a "neurological condition," synesthesia is not listed in either the DSM-IV or the ICD since it most often does not interfere with normal daily functioning. Indeed, most synesthetes report that their experiences are neutral or even pleasant. Like perfect pitch, synesthesia is simply a difference in perceptual experience.

So it seems you've got that backward. People who experience synesthesia have cognitive issues.

Homosexuality also used to be considered a condition, but that has changed.
I think synesthesia is totally normal and we all use it, albeit to different degrees. I think it is normal as the brain is composed of interconnected areas, not isolated ones.

[aciddose]

Don't be this (points to burrito) in puts here (points to microwave)?

[trimph1]

Warm can be used as a descriptor when talking to other people. Afterall, there is a metaphorical component to language as well. If you want to talk to pure objectivists then it becomes futile to use those terms. One may need to learn a whole new way of thinking/communicating.

[fluffy_little_something]

Stop attempting to rationalize it.

In truth the reason people use these terms is because they do not understand the subject they are discussing and lack the technical lexicon required to describe things accurately.

If as you say we all agreed upon the meaning of these terms, they would be the accurate, technical terms.

It is about what people feel when they hear a sound. Those feelings don't require technical knowledge, they are just there and even laymen will try to use words they know in order to describe them as closely as possible. And it just so happens that a lot of people feel the same way about a sound and use the same words to describe it.

[aciddose]

Homosexuality also used to be considered a condition, but that has changed.
I think synesthesia is totally normal and we all use it, albeit to different degrees.

This is simply incorrect. Most people do not look at something green and smell curry powder.

If you do, you have brain damage which results in confusion. You lack the ability to distinguish between visual and olfactory senses.

The dictionary:

• Confuse
  • To make unclear or indistinct.
  • To fail to distinguish between; associate by mistake; confound.

[aciddose]

It is about what people feel when they hear a sound.

If it is about what you feel, why don't you say:

"I feel like X when I hear it."

Rather than:

"It sounds X."

Again, see the entry under "confuse" in the dictionary.

Just because you perceive an object as "X", doesn't make that object "X".

The object in the objective sense has fixed properties that are independent from you, your senses or your observation or very existence.

When you describe things in the subjective sense it is important to make your meaning clear. Simply state "I feel". Everyone will immediately know you are speaking subjectively.

To describe "it sounds X" is nothing more than a lie.

Stop attempting to rationalize it.

[fluffy_little_something]

Homosexuality also used to be considered a condition, but that has changed.
I think synesthesia is totally normal and we all use it, albeit to different degrees.

This is simply incorrect. Most people do not look at something green and smell curry powder.

If you do, you have brain damage which results in confusion. You lack the ability to distinguish between visual and olfactory senses.

The dictionary:

• Confuse
  • To make unclear or indistinct.
  • To fail to distinguish between; associate by mistake; confound.

It is not limited to smell at all. Associating colors with temperature for instance is very common.
There are also so called loud colors, which obviously associates hearing with seeing.
Of course those are two mild forms of synesthesia, there are much stronger ones, it is just a matter of degree.

[trimph1]

Homosexuality also used to be considered a condition, but that has changed.
I think synesthesia is totally normal and we all use it, albeit to different degrees.

This is simply incorrect. Most people do not look at something green and smell curry powder.

If you do, you have brain damage which results in confusion. You lack the ability to distinguish between visual and olfactory senses.

The dictionary:

• Confuse
  • To make unclear or indistinct.
  • To fail to distinguish between; associate by mistake; confound.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/neuro ... fAlrTZRGM

[trimph1]

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/neuro ... VfAlrTZRGM

[aciddose]

I do....I can look at green and smell green onions or curry.

Well as they say on Wikipedia it isn't considered a disorder in the sense that it interferes with daily function.

I can look at green and "think of" a smell, but I can never actually smell something without the cells in my nasal cavity sending signals to my brain via the usual nerves.

For me, "think of a smell" and "smell" are two radically different things. I would never say that a particular color "smells" because that isn't possible.