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aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 6:41 am

And yet that conversation is about ten points higher on the "oh look you're nearly sane" scale.

We're talking about someone claiming it sounds warm!

Touch The Universe · Post by **Touch The Universe** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 6:46 am

aciddose wrote:
zerocrossing wrote: See dude, you're just coming off as a pedantic jerk. When someone says, "Oh, it's a nice sunny day!" do you respond, "Each day the earth receives a more or less equal amount of solar radiation depending on solar flare and sun spot activity. You're coming off as stupid."

"Sunny" is a short cut.
If someone were to say "it's a warm day today" although the temperature was -30c I'd probably point out "no it isn't."

"Yes it is, you see the sky is red and I consider red a warm color, therefore it is warm today."

"No it isn't, it's 30c below f**king freezing and when the wind comes up my face goes numb. That isn't warm by any relative measure on earth. Perhaps it's warm compared to the f**king moon but you didn't say that."

"If it were a clear blue sky I'd consider it cold, but it is sun-set in the middle of winter on the antarctic coast and I say it is warm today. It is warmer than it was yesterday! Yesterday it was -32!"

"Okay, fine, it is less cold today but it snowed yesterday... and you're saying that through your f**king heavy-duty parka."

"No I'm not. Ole."

It's like ancient chinese saying after someone points to the moon, "Don't look at the finger, or you'll miss all the heavinly glory". At first this sounds self explanatory and maybe meant to be deep, but honestly, has anyone every pointed at something and the other person just looked at their finger? No! Maybe my pet cat might look at the finger and await some anticipation but not a human being. So, in a sense, that ancient saying is nothing but an insult to humanity by puting its intelligence at the level of an animal.

I find the similar flaw in your analagy as well. When has anyone ever came up to you in minus twenty degree weather and complained how warm it was? For all intents an purposes, these perceptional terms we use are merely placeholders for common, shared perceptions that can be understood. What's more rewarding often is not using the most precise vocabulary and language possible at any given (and most often casual) moment and calling things by there 'true name', but it is to be understood and use that basic language to discuss higher thoughts. If you refuse to build bricks, how then will you build a house?

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 6:49 am

Touch The Universe · Post by **Touch The Universe** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 6:51 am

IncarnateX · Post by **IncarnateX** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 6:54 am

Lotuzia wrote: Sometimes he makes valid points though. While *taught* might not be the right word, he certainly has some real experience and knowledge to share.

Then he has hard times to agree with almost anybody on almost anything. That generates often endless discussions that more/less turn into dead ends.

I like him. No bad feelings at all. KVR wouldn't be KVR without Aciddose. He is harmless. And yes he can argue soundly but you have to dig it up among piles of BS.

I am not putting myself on that higher ground anyway; there is some AD in me and maybe in all of us? I think the important difference here is that I know I am insane, why I am insane, and when. And it ain't when discussing perceptual psychology and scientific basis for making hard conclusions. In most other aeas I am as half- or non baked as any of us and is able to admit it. Now try to convince AD there are things in this world he doesn't know about and you will "sense" the difference

aciddose · Post by **aciddose** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 6:55 am

Touch The Universe · Post by **Touch The Universe** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 7:27 am

https://youtu.be/GGh250_GauM?list=PL7Ug ... zFP&t=2042

trimph1 · Post by **trimph1** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 7:30 am

This thread has become a truly beautiful disaster.

IncarnateX · Post by **IncarnateX** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 7:48 am

aciddose wrote: We're talking about someone claiming it sounds warm!

Reductio ad absurdum: "You cannot use "warm" as perceptual concept, because if you do, you are claiming perceptions have physical temperature".

Nice....and false like a whore who says she loves you.

scintillator · Post by **scintillator** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 8:41 am

Aryaroman · Post by **Aryaroman** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 9:08 am

This thread is getting more epic every day.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 9:17 am

Aryaroman wrote:This thread is getting more epic every day.

Yeah

What's the topic, again?

Ah, yes... DIVA vs OB8. For a moment I thought we were discussing ambient and global warming

(not that that subject isn't serious, and deserving discussion).

Lotuzia · Post by **Lotuzia** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 9:36 am

/me put his Ayatollah clothes ON

No it's a soundbank topic, and it should be moved to the soundware forum

( Just to generate another 10 pages of flame wars ..... )

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Thu Sep 10, 2015 10:54 pm

aciddose wrote:
zerocrossing wrote: See dude, you're just coming off as a pedantic jerk. When someone says, "Oh, it's a nice sunny day!" do you respond, "Each day the earth receives a more or less equal amount of solar radiation depending on solar flare and sun spot activity. You're coming off as stupid."

"Sunny" is a short cut.
If someone were to say "it's a warm day today" although the temperature was -30c I'd probably point out "no it isn't."

"Yes it is, you see the sky is red and I consider red a warm color, therefore it is warm today."

"No it isn't, it's 30c below f**king freezing and when the wind comes up my face goes numb. That isn't warm by any relative measure on earth. Perhaps it's warm compared to the f**king moon but you didn't say that."

"If it were a clear blue sky I'd consider it cold, but it is sun-set in the middle of winter on the antarctic coast and I say it is warm today. It is warmer than it was yesterday! Yesterday it was -32!"

"Okay, fine, it is less cold today but it snowed yesterday... and you're saying that through your f**king heavy-duty parka."

"No I'm not. Ole."

Dude. Now your reading is just plain off. I never wrote "warm." I said, "nice sunny day." See, nice can be contextual, but sunny is a fairly agreed upon term. Now, there are cloudless days and partly cloudy days, for sure. None of us are suggesting we use these terms for anything exact. You want to know what "warm" sounds like? Put on Superstition by Stevie Wonder and listen to that clavinet sound. That's a warm sounding keyboard sound. Maybe we should alert the bureau of standards. Then it would be official.

IncarnateX · Post by **IncarnateX** » Fri Sep 11, 2015 7:34 am

Problem is not about "warm" either referring to temperature or nothing. That approach is useless.

It is rather that "warm" apparently means different things to different people, metaphorically or concrete, to an extent where it is hard to see any consensus at all. And if no one will post and discuss any examples, it might be as hard to explain as describing color red to a blind person. It may already be hard to explain in words because it may refer to a feeling only.
To that extent AD has a point (though his argument is disastrous), namely that the term becomes empty. This has nothing to do with the term’s reference to temperature, but because the varied uses of it make it all inclusive and don’t signify anything in particular.

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