Bitwig

Muziksculp · Post by **Muziksculp** » Sat Oct 24, 2015 3:53 pm

Hi,

I look forward to see Video-Track support in Bitwig Studio in the near future.

This is not an elegant solution.

For now, I use Cubase Pro 8 if I have to score to video, which also works with VSL's VE-Pro 5.

I would love to be able to use VE-Pro5 with Bitwig Studio, making sure that BWS works smoothly with VE-Pro 5 is another thing I would like to see tackled, and fixed by the BWS Development team.

Cheers,
Muziksculp

shadiradio · Post by **shadiradio** » Sat Oct 24, 2015 5:42 pm

ThomasHelzle wrote:Hm - doesn't work for me with LoopMidi.
Where do I tell XJadeo what Midi port to sync to?

After it didn't work, I installed and configured Jack, but while it seems to be working as audio device in Bitwig Studio (the first time I ever got it working on Windows actually), when I open XJadeo and try to sync via MTC - Portaudio, XJadeo freezes.

Any ideas what to look for?

Cheers,

Tom

The first time I tried it, XJadeo would lock up for me when choosing MTC (portmidi) for a few seconds, then deselect that choice. I believe it tries to auto detect, though I wish you could just manually set the port.

I didn't try loopmidi, but loopbe1 worked for me as long as I ran loopbe1, Bitwig, and the midiOut VST before launching XJadeo.

I was determined to get it working with portmidi because I don't want JACK ever installed on my system again.

ThomasHelzle · Post by **ThomasHelzle** » Sat Oct 24, 2015 5:58 pm

Yeah, seems a bit silly to autodetect this in case one has several Midi ports on the system. Would at least be good to be able to set it somewhere in case autodetection fails.
It's really funny - the whole idea of synced video seems so simple, but so far I still haven't found a good, host independent solution.

Well, one day we'll get there, one way or another

Cheers,

Tom

shadiradio · Post by **shadiradio** » Sat Oct 24, 2015 6:40 pm

ThomasHelzle wrote:Yeah, seems a bit silly to autodetect this in case one has several Midi ports on the system. Would at least be good to be able to set it somewhere in case autodetection fails.
It's really funny - the whole idea of synced video seems so simple, but so far I still haven't found a good, host independent solution.

Well, one day we'll get there, one way or another

Cheers,

Tom

Yeah I hear you. There are a couple other commercial players that are supposedly good, Virtual VTR and MTC video slave, but XJadeo is free. I'm going to try syncing over LAN with Live as the MTC video slave on another laptop - offloading that processing would be a side bonus.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Sat Oct 24, 2015 6:59 pm

I'd rather see the Dev's focus on making Bitwig better where it is already capable. Not add rudimentary functionality to try to cover all the bases. If I were going to score a video, I'd use something besides Bitwig. Hell, Bitwig cannot even do time signature changes.

If you want to score video, use a DAW that does it and does it well.

ThomasHelzle · Post by **ThomasHelzle** » Sat Oct 24, 2015 7:18 pm

Thanks Shadiradio! Well, Virtual VTR is out of the range of what I would be willing to pay for something like this, but MTC video slave is rather affordable if it delivers and the combination proves to work reliably. I just downloaded the demo

@pdxindy: You're welcome to your opinion, but since everybody has different needs, I see no problem in discussing and investigating options. It's not about the best video support on the planet but sometimes it's much more fun to lay out ideas in something like Bitwig Studio.
For my next Hollywood blockbuster I will happily look into other options

There are also people working on stage that may be very happy with being able to use something like MTC video slave, which allows video sync over lan.
And adding native MTC output to Bitwig is surely not preventing the team from improving the basics - IMO it is one of the basics actually, not only for video sync.
So everybody benefits

Cheers,

Tom

shadiradio · Post by **shadiradio** » Sat Oct 24, 2015 7:24 pm

pdxindy wrote:I'd rather see the Dev's focus on making Bitwig better where it is already capable. Not add rudimentary functionality to try to cover all the bases. If I were going to score a video, I'd use something besides Bitwig. Hell, Bitwig cannot even do time signature changes.

If you want to score video, use a DAW that does it and does it well.

It depends on what you're working on. Would I score a short film in BWS? Of course not. Would I use it for spot sfx and light jingle work synced to video? Sure - and I already have for a commercial client.

I just don't want the request for native support off the table, because I don't think they really add features in a rudimentary way (for the most part). Bitwig really thinks through all their added features, and I'd love to see them tackle this (in the future).

Muziksculp · Post by **Muziksculp** » Sat Oct 24, 2015 7:46 pm

pdxindy wrote:I'd rather see the Dev's focus on making Bitwig better where it is already capable. Not add rudimentary functionality to try to cover all the bases. If I were going to score a video, I'd use something besides Bitwig. Hell, Bitwig cannot even do time signature changes.

If you want to score video, use a DAW that does it and does it well.

I agree (for now), that's why I use Cubase Pro 8 for video scoring.

Yes, imho. being able to change time signature is more important than a video-track feature.

It boils down to priorities, and when missing features get implemented, so video-track feature is still important, but could be implemented later than other feature requests. A time-signature change is more of a music related, important feature that is still missing. Hope this won't take too long be added into BWS.

I also feel that BWS 1.3 with all the touch-functionality has taken quite a bit of time, and resources to develop, at the expense of adding more of the missing features, and new ones.

So, maybe 1.4 will be back on track as far as adding many missing features, and some newer cool ones too.

Cheers,
Muziksculp

shadiradio · Post by **shadiradio** » Sat Oct 24, 2015 9:45 pm

I don't think anyone would argue about the priority of some things before video support (including time signature changes). Obviously there's no point in scoring to picture if you can't properly score in the first place.

But this whole thread is about workarounds for those who would like to give it a go with current tools, not about requesting the feature.

Muziksculp · Post by **Muziksculp** » Sat Oct 24, 2015 11:27 pm

shadiradio wrote:I don't think anyone would argue about the priority of some things before video support (including time signature changes). Obviously there's no point in scoring to picture if you can't properly score in the first place.

But this whole thread is about workarounds for those who would like to give it a go with current tools, not about requesting the feature.

Well, the title of this topic is 'Video Suppot for Bitwig' , not 'Video Workarounds for Bitwig'

, but, I understand your point here. Anyways, I'm very optimistic about the future of BWS, and I'm glad I jumped on the wagon at the early stages of its development, it's going to be a very interesting, and fun ride.

Cheers,
Muziksculp

shadiradio · Post by **shadiradio** » Sun Oct 25, 2015 12:50 am

Muziksculp wrote:
shadiradio wrote:I don't think anyone would argue about the priority of some things before video support (including time signature changes). Obviously there's no point in scoring to picture if you can't properly score in the first place.

But this whole thread is about workarounds for those who would like to give it a go with current tools, not about requesting the feature.
Well, the title of this topic is 'Video Suppot for Bitwig' , not 'Video Workarounds for Bitwig' , but, I understand your point here. Anyways, I'm very optimistic about the future of BWS, and I'm glad I jumped on the wagon at the early stages of its development, it's going to be a very interesting, and fun ride.

Cheers,
Muziksculp

Agreed!

StudioDave · Post by **StudioDave** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 10:59 am

Greetings,

Just a quick note to mention that the whole Bitwig+JACK+XJadeo arrangement is a breeze in Linux. Tested here only with straight JACK transport, works a charm, but got no joy from XJadeo's other sync options.

Best,

dp

ThomasHelzle · Post by **ThomasHelzle** » Mon Oct 26, 2015 11:05 am

Thanks Dave - so it works at least on Linux...

My Linux installation broke some time ago so ATM I can't give it a try myself.

Cheers,

Tom

ThomasHelzle · Post by **ThomasHelzle** » Tue May 24, 2016 9:23 pm

An new quirk on this seemingly endless road:
Facebook bought that company that creates tools for spatial audio:
https://facebook360.fb.com/spatial-workstation/
Now you can download those for free.
The plugins work in Bitwig.
If you place the FB360 Control plugin on any track in BWS (does not have to contain anything), start the included video player in slave mode and load a movie, that movie will play in sync with BWS (on my old 2008 MacPro it stutters, but I guess on a recent rig it would probably work).
So what's the catch?
Well, that player will play your video as 360° movie of course...

So you can happily navigate around in it with a mouse or even watch it with an Oculus with head tracking if you have one, but you can't see all of it on the desktop at once...

Not a solution for most people I guess, but I thought I post it anyway...

Maybe somebody actually IS doing 360° movies... (or you could render a 360° movie with a partial screen containing a video as large as the actual viewers view...?).

Cheers,

Tom

Cyoon · Post by **Cyoon** » Tue May 24, 2016 9:44 pm

facebook plugins? lol, are they going to do commercial breaks ?

Bitwig

KVR Audio

Video Support for Bitwig ;-)