Arturia V Collection 6

[egbert101]

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[fmr]

I wasn't expecting this one!

Now do I keep updating my Prophet V & CS-80 V, when the time comes, or dive into the V Collection...

Updates every 18 months for around 200€...

It's not just "updates". You got four new instruments with this new versions. And a very important revision on both Piano V and Analog Lab. You many times don't have that much on the DAWs upgrades.

Of course, it all depends on whether the new synths matter to you or not.

[fmr]

The DX7 is definitely probably the least needed emulation right now, given how good the free Dexed is, as well as NI FM8 for going beyond the original. Although maybe people who need a huge GUI would benefit.

If you think DeXEd is good (which it is, indeed) just try DX7 V. Just do one thing: Load one of your favorite banks that you have in SYX format, and compare the sound out of the two. Then come back with your findings.

This does interest me to be honest. I'd like to know how DX7 V, FM8, Dexed and a real DX7 fair together. Hopefully someone has the idea to shoot them out and post it on youtube.

With the exception of the real DX7 you can do that yourself. Download a demo of FM8, download a demo of DX7 V, install DeXed and do the comparison yourself. Just do what I said - load a SYX file in each of them, play them, and judge for yourself. Remember that the SYX file is the data of the original DX7.

[egbert101]

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[mcbpete]

I'd like to know how DX7 V, FM8, Dexed and a real DX7 fair together. Hopefully someone has the idea to shoot them out and post it on youtube.

Definitely, me too. Big fan of FM so it sure is intriguing if we have a new king in the software FM world ....

[Ingonator]

I got V-Collection 5 since a while and just started checking the demo of DX7 V. FWIW i also got FM8 and Dexed installed here, not to forget Tone2 Nemesis.

Personally i am more interested in what Arturia DX7 V offers beyond a proper emulation of the real thing and as far as i could see that is quite a lot if you switch to the advanced editing page.

One if the first things i searched for is how you could switch of the noise found in some of the presets which also seemed to be found in the real DX7 (at least in the first version).
In DX7 V this seems to be avaiable from the "DAC RES" oarameter in the global parameters by switching it from "Vintage" to "Modern". Personally if i would do my own patches i am quite sure i would use the "Modern" setting for all of them.

Opposing to the first hardware DX7 the DX7 V plugin also offers a collection of different waveforms besides the Sine which is very nice too (like in some later Yamaha FM synths and also in FM8). This way you do also not have to "waste" operators just to generate basic waveforms like e.g. a Sawtooh. Currently DX7 V includes 25 different waveforms.

Having a multiomode filter (3 modes) for each of the 6 Operators is something i did not see in any of teh other FM syntsh i mentioned above.
Besides envelopes for each operator ther are also additional envelopes which could be routed via the mod matrix, for example to modulate the Cutoff of one or multiple filters.


FWIW the only dedicated FM hardware synth i ever owned so far was a SY77 back in 2004. Back in 2004 i bought and sold a lot of hardware synths and IIRC the SY77 was the first one back then (bought in the second hand store of Music Store in Cologne/Germany when i lived in Cologne at that time).

[Ingonator]

After DX7 V (see my post above) i also started to check the CMI V plugin demo and this is just amazing. Having a full featured emulation of this beast is a totally different experience than just using a Kontakt library or otehr sample library with some Fairlight samples.
The amount of features in this plugin seems to be huge and it will take a while to learn what is possible with this.

Really graet to see that after the Snclavier V they also managed to create a nice emulation of the Fairlight.


At the moment the the DX7 V and CMI V alone seem to be worth paying the upgrade price from V-Collection 5 but i will not decide this today...

[Sound Mechanics]

I've just been through the DX7 V presets with some of the original ROM patches...

It took me straight back to 1983 with my now long gone DX7 - sounds just the same - fabulous

and now with all those effects, filters,... etc. and ease of programming

[wagtunes]

Guys you gotta stop this raving. I don't have $200. LOL

[suthnear]

Leaving aside the additional features and comparing with dexed like for like, they sound pretty similar. The dx7v is slightly tamer at high modulation levels, but sometimes I preferred the one and sometimes the other (depending on algorithms). The dx7v's modern/vintage DAC settings don't make much of a difference (the vintage is slightly noisier, but both models seem to exhibit the same levels of digital hash). Dexed's three possible settings all sound pretty different, both in terms of the output stage as well as the internal processing. The dx7v's UI is much better, though: dexed's envelopes and rate scaling controls are definitely it's weak point. And it definitely helps with sound creation that you can hear changes as you make them, rather than only on the next note being played. Dexed has one big advantage, though, in the ability to export dx7 presets. This makes it a nice editor for (amongst others) the volca fm. But I guess this would be difficult for dx7v given all its extra features.

And it's the extra features that definitely kick dx7v into a different league altogether, particularly the modulation possibilities. Which leads me to a feature request if anyone from Arturia is listening: it would be useful if individual operator feedback could be negative as well as positive (like the reface dx), because then it would be as easy to create square waves as it is to create saws...

[egbert101]

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[mcbpete]

Guys you gotta stop this raving. I don't have $200. LOL

You're going to upgrade by the end of the year wags.

We've a *little* longer according to the newsletter - "This offer is only available until January 10th 2018."

[gentleclockdivider]

Leaving aside the additional features and comparing with dexed like for like, they sound pretty similar. The dx7v is slightly tamer at high modulation levels, but sometimes I preferred the one and sometimes the other (depending on algorithms). The dx7v's modern/vintage DAC settings don't make much of a difference (the vintage is slightly noisier, but both models seem to exhibit the same levels of digital hash). Dexed's three possible settings all sound pretty different, both in terms of the output stage as well as the internal processing. The dx7v's UI is much better, though: dexed's envelopes and rate scaling controls are definitely it's weak point. And it definitely helps with sound creation that you can hear changes as you make them, rather than only on the next note being played. Dexed has one big advantage, though, in the ability to export dx7 presets. This makes it a nice editor for (amongst others) the volca fm. But I guess this would be difficult for dx7v given all its extra features.

And it's the extra features that definitely kick dx7v into a different league altogether, particularly the modulation possibilities. Which leads me to a feature request if anyone from Arturia is listening: it would be useful if individual operator feedback could be negative as well as positive (like the reface dx), because then it would be as easy to create square waves as it is to create saws...

Negative feedback doesn't give you a square , it would give you a reversed saw .
What yamaha actually did is take the squared output (pow 2) of the operator and fed back to itself .
Rectify does also work but yields a slighlty different outcome .
For simplicity 's sake they just called it negative feedback , but it's not really just negative .
Some screenshots
https://imgur.com/bD3kqKw
https://imgur.com/x92QtUd
https://imgur.com/HIkjv6D
https://imgur.com/y18Yw4i

Have a look at my ensemble
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/r ... show/8291/

[SoundGoddess]

I wasn't expecting this one!

Now do I keep updating my Prophet V & CS-80 V, when the time comes, or dive into the V Collection...

Updates every 18 months for around 200€...

to be fair, as a v5 owner i was able to update everything from v5 to the v6 versions free, including analog lab, except for the piano v2.

plus the demo versions of v6 all work fine for 20 mins and your daw can save the fiddling around. so you can pretty much use the v6 stuff free if you let your daw save the settings and restart the engine after 20 min. inconvenient, sure, but all the brand new presets are still in analog lab 3 if you don't need to muck around with the individual synth settings.

my al2 custom presets ported over automatically to al3 and seem to work fine.

[fmr]

Leaving aside the additional features and comparing with dexed like for like, they sound pretty similar. The dx7v is slightly tamer at high modulation levels, but sometimes I preferred the one and sometimes the other (depending on algorithms). The dx7v's modern/vintage DAC settings don't make much of a difference (the vintage is slightly noisier, but both models seem to exhibit the same levels of digital hash). Dexed's three possible settings all sound pretty different, both in terms of the output stage as well as the internal processing. The dx7v's UI is much better, though: dexed's envelopes and rate scaling controls are definitely it's weak point. And it definitely helps with sound creation that you can hear changes as you make them, rather than only on the next note being played. Dexed has one big advantage, though, in the ability to export dx7 presets. This makes it a nice editor for (amongst others) the volca fm. But I guess this would be difficult for dx7v given all its extra features.

And it's the extra features that definitely kick dx7v into a different league altogether, particularly the modulation possibilities. Which leads me to a feature request if anyone from Arturia is listening: it would be useful if individual operator feedback could be negative as well as positive (like the reface dx), because then it would be as easy to create square waves as it is to create saws...

Negative feedback doesn't give you a square , it would give you a reversed saw .
What yamaha actually did is take the squared output (pow 2) of the operator and fed back to itself .
Rectify does also work but yields a slighlty different outcome .
For simplicity 's sake they just called it negative feedback , but it's not really just negative .
Some screenshots
https://imgur.com/bD3kqKw
https://imgur.com/x92QtUd
https://imgur.com/HIkjv6D
https://imgur.com/y18Yw4i

Have a look at my ensemble
https://www.native-instruments.com/en/r ... show/8291/

In DX7 V, selecting Operator 2 to 2 (best), 3 or 4, and inverting the sine wave, you obtain a kind of square wave (not a perfect square, but suitable for the majority of applications. You can get a richer waveform if you lower the carrier (Operator 1) to 0.5

This works in any algorithm that has operator 2 as modulator of operator 1. Of course, you can repeat this with operator 4 modulating operator 3, and operator 6 modulating operator 5 (algorithm 6, for example), which will give you three squareish waveforms.

But you can also even simply select a square wave. No need to use any kind of twists.