Tone2 I2 vs Trueno Analog

[afta8]

Just added him to my foe list agin and will do my best not trying to read his posts again...
I just wish that AnX would be finally able to just ignore my posts too.

Not trying to be offensive or anything but.. I don't think anyone really cares

[braj]

We could all try and reduce the amount of drama here, unless we're talking about a synth called Drama I just checked, it's not taken.

[AnX]

We could all try and reduce the amount of drama here, unless we're talking about a synth called Drama I just checked, it's not taken.

Good name for a cinematic rompler

[afta8]

We could all try and reduce the amount of drama here, unless we're talking about a synth called Drama I just checked, it's not taken.

Good name for a cinematic rompler

Which pairs really well with Diva

[braj]

We could all try and reduce the amount of drama here, unless we're talking about a synth called Drama I just checked, it's not taken.

Good name for a cinematic rompler

Which pairs really well with Diva

[braj]

I'm really happy to hear Trueno doesn't suck I don't think it is for me yet, but given time, a future version could be.

[aciddose]

Concerning using Trueno as a wavetable synth the qurestion is if using multiple instances and a workaround to make it polyphonic would be worth the hassle also compared to my wavetable synths i alraedy own (both software and hardware).

Since it actually works exactly like the cheapest possible full-on aliasing with nearest-neighbor resampling(/interpolation) sample plug-in, I wouldn't see the point in using it as a wavetable synth unless you are 98% interested in the "generic juno-esque" sounds and the wavetable gives you the extra 1% push to buy.

In other words it's exactly the same as sending your DAW output to an external filter, then going back into the DAW. So plug-in with insanely low quality settings -> interface -> analog filter -> interface -> ...

You'd be much better off looking at other wavetable synths which use the fully anti-aliased methods I described. The true analog timing wavetable modules for modulars are extremely cool and often have features up the wazoo compared to the ultra-basic implementation in Trueno.

I'm also not at all impressed by the Trueno filter: sure it's analog and high distortion, but it sounds a bit crap in my opinion. Subjective and all that of course but I believe they set the diode clamp too harshly, or maybe some signal-path distortion causes the extreme "korg35-like" timbre, but I don't like it much at all as it's almost useless for flute or other "moog" type sounds. This was the same sort of comment made about the first korg synthesizers when they were coming out in the late 70s, "it's not a minimoog".

That said for someone without experience with analog synthesizers, a usb-stick is definitely a cool entry-level purchase and I'm sure it can be enjoyed as a unique synthesizer on its own too even by those like myself who own many analogs and build their own modulars.

[SLiC]

I would like to see this tech used as a cheap version of Elektron Analog Heat - route software plugs through analogue filter, distortion and amp etc for warmth then back to the DAW.

[chk071]

I'm also not at all impressed by the Trueno filter: sure it's analog and high distortion, but it sounds a bit crap in my opinion. Subjective and all that of course but I believe they set the diode clamp too harshly, or maybe some signal-path distortion causes the extreme "korg35-like" timbre, but I don't like it much at all as it's almost useless for flute or other "moog" type sounds.

I never quite got the obsession with so much distortion in the singal, or filter path. As you wrote, it makes clean sounds kind of impossible, which is a shame.

[AnX]

Concerning using Trueno as a wavetable synth the qurestion is if using multiple instances and a workaround to make it polyphonic would be worth the hassle also compared to my wavetable synths i alraedy own (both software and hardware).

Since it actually works exactly like the cheapest possible full-on aliasing with nearest-neighbor resampling(/interpolation) sample plug-in, I wouldn't see the point in using it as a wavetable synth unless you are 98% interested in the "generic juno-esque" sounds and the wavetable gives you the extra 1% push to buy.

In other words it's exactly the same as sending your DAW output to an external filter, then going back into the DAW. So plug-in with insanely low quality settings -> interface -> analog filter -> interface -> ...

You'd be much better off looking at other wavetable synths which use the fully anti-aliased methods I described. The true analog timing wavetable modules for modulars are extremely cool and often have features up the wazoo compared to the ultra-basic implementation in Trueno.

I'm also not at all impressed by the Trueno filter: sure it's analog and high distortion, but it sounds a bit crap in my opinion. Subjective and all that of course but I believe they set the diode clamp too harshly, or maybe some signal-path distortion causes the extreme "korg35-like" timbre, but I don't like it much at all as it's almost useless for flute or other "moog" type sounds. This was the same sort of comment made about the first korg synthesizers when they were coming out in the late 70s, "it's not a minimoog".

That said for someone without experience with analog synthesizers, a usb-stick is definitely a cool entry-level purchase and I'm sure it can be enjoyed as a unique synthesizer on its own too even by those like myself who own many analogs and build their own modulars.

My Casio HT3000 has an analog filter

[aciddose]

In fact the Casio SK-1 uses fully analog filters and waveshapers which are controlled by pulse (PWM) outputs to reproduce half-synthetic and half-sampled sounds. It isn't really possible to say whether it's clearly a DCO, sample playback (no DAC and no pure integrated PWM) or what exactly.

That said most people aren't seeking out a SK-1 to do that "fat ANALOG bass sound".

[EvilDragon]

I'm also not at all impressed by the Trueno filter: sure it's analog and high distortion, but it sounds a bit crap in my opinion. Subjective and all that of course but I believe they set the diode clamp too harshly, or maybe some signal-path distortion causes the extreme "korg35-like" timbre, but I don't like it much at all as it's almost useless for flute or other "moog" type sounds.

I never quite got the obsession with so much distortion in the singal, or filter path. As you wrote, it makes clean sounds kind of impossible, which is a shame.

Not at all. Just don't crank the resonance too far out. Same was true on the original Polivoks. But yes, there was always a bit of an edge to the sound. Polivoks wasn't meant to sound like Minimoog.

but I don't like it much at all as it's almost useless for flute or other "moog" type sounds. This was the same sort of comment made about the first korg synthesizers when they were coming out in the late 70s, "it's not a minimoog".

I am not sure why would anyone use a "Soviet-inspired" filter to do Moog-like sounds. It's really beyond me. You KNOW what "Soviet-inspired" means. So what gives?

[afta8]

Concerning using Trueno as a wavetable synth the qurestion is if using multiple instances and a workaround to make it polyphonic would be worth the hassle also compared to my wavetable synths i alraedy own (both software and hardware).

Since it actually works exactly like the cheapest possible full-on aliasing with nearest-neighbor resampling(/interpolation) sample plug-in, I wouldn't see the point in using it as a wavetable synth unless you are 98% interested in the "generic juno-esque" sounds and the wavetable gives you the extra 1% push to buy.

Except that I don't think it is a wavetable synth, in practice it works like an additive synth

[sjm]

Just added him to my foe list agin and will do my best not trying to read his posts again...
I just wish that AnX would be finally able to just ignore my posts too.

Not trying to be offensive or anything but.. I don't think anyone really cares

+1

Less melodrama, more discussion pls.

[ENV1]

I'm also not at all impressed by the Trueno filter: sure it's analog and high distortion, but it sounds a bit crap in my opinion.

I didnt want to be the one who said it, but i totally agree.

If the sound in the video is an accurate representation of the sound of the device then thanks but no thanks.

(Frankly i thought it sounds horrible.)