Arturia V Collection 6

[braj]

if you buy an Arturia KB now, even if the box comes with a previous version of Analog Lab, would you get the most current version when registering it with Arturia?

That would be pretty unlogical. If you register a product, this product will be registered in your account and not another one.

Well, I don't know how the software registration is handled. They could sell it 'with Analog Lab', it probably would be a download, and they may give you whatever the most current version when you buy it is. Nothing illogical about it just I wonder what their actual policy is.

Wait, reading your reply, it seems you misunderstood what I said yet again.

[Ingonator]

much more fun too than in Dexed

Well, Dexed UI is very accessible, I think it is really good too altough I never got warm with the classic Yamaha Rate-Envelopes.

But there is a strong reason against Dexed: When you automate Operator Levels sometimes NoteOn is skipped. This is just not acceptable.

The graphical envelopes in DX7 V are much easier to handle than using the 8 knobs for each of them in Dexed. At the dedicated envelopes page in DX7 V you also have an overview of all envelopes which could be really useful.
It also has two additional mod envelopes that coudl be routed using the mod matrix (e.g. to the Cutoff in the filters that could be added to each operator in DX7 V).

As DX7 V includes 25 waveforms (not just Sine) you could use those directly instead of "wasting" operators for creating basic waveforms like e.g. a Sawtooth or Square. Combining those waveforms with 6 operators and also the additional filters (for each operrator), mod envelopes and the mod matrix you could create patches impossible with a real DX7.

[jme-audio]

Sure, I know. I have DX7-V.
As I love knobs, that was not the problem with Dexed.
But the DX7-V is better in every aspect, and the envelope section is really innovative, so true!

[noiseboyuk]

Just (finally) having a play now with Analog Lab 3. I too don't have the sustain pedals working on analogue pianos, and there's no trace of Analog Lab 2 left in Program Data / Arturia . Win 10 Anniversay, Cubase 9.0.20. Did anyone who had this issue get it fixed somehow?

[akeia]

Sound wise i do not care much if DX7 V sounds 100% like a DX7 or just 80%.

If that hypothetical 80% synth would be called "damn fine FM synth - somewhat similar to DX7" nobody would argue about it. But to license the name and call a synth X but deliver only 80% of X. That is where some people may have issues with Arturia.

[jme-audio]

Sound wise i do not care much if DX7 V sounds 100% like a DX7 or just 80%.

If that hypothetical 80% synth would be called "damn fine FM synth - somewhat similar to DX7" nobody would argue about it. But to license the name and call a synth X but deliver only 80% of X. That is where some people may have issues with Arturia.

He didn't say it would be only 80%, that was just metaphorical. And "damn fine" is a massive understatement. You just get perfect FM sound.

The question is more like: can you live with the fact that DX7-V is so much better than a real DX7?

[Ingonator]

Sound wise i do not care much if DX7 V sounds 100% like a DX7 or just 80%.

If that hypothetical 80% synth would be called "damn fine FM synth - somewhat similar to DX7" nobody would argue about it. But to license the name and call a synth X but deliver only 80% of X. That is where some people may have issues with Arturia.

He didn't say it would be only 80%, that was just metaphorical. And "damn fine" is a massive understatement. You just get perfect FM sound.

The question is more like: can you live with the fact that DX7-V is so much better than a real DX7?

Exactly. This seems to be a case where an emulation does not just sound as close as possible to the real thing but just better.

FWIW more or less i had the same impression with the Roland D-50 plugin (from Roland Cloud).

Currently i got a bunch of very nice plugins based on legendary digital synths:

- Arturia DX7 V
- Arturia CMI V
- Arturia Synclavier V
- Arturia Prophet VS v3 (+ P5/VS hybrid synth)
- Roland D-50 plugin (Roland Cloud)
- Waldorf PPG Wave 3.V
- Korg Wavestation (plugin)
- Korg M1 (plugin)

Most or all of them include advanced features compared to the real thing (e.g. the D-50 has the additional PCM waves from the V-Synth version) and some could also import Sysex files from the hardware (Arturia Prophet VS until v2 which i still got installed besides v3 and the D-50 plugin since v1.04).

[jme-audio]

You forgot Waldorf Largo Blofeld is "only" ten years old but nevertheless legendary.

[Ingonator]

You forgot Waldorf Largo Blofeld is "only" ten years old but nevertheless legendary.

Well, owning Largo since 2009 and a Blofeld since 2010 i have a different opinion about Largo being a proper and/or full featured emulation...
AFAIK it was never meant to be a full replacement for a Blofeld anyway.
Besides that Largo is a graet softsynth indeed.

FWIW Nave was meant as a modern version of the big Waldorf Wave synth: Nave = New Wave

[jme-audio]

Well, owning Largo since 2009 and a Blofeld since 2010 i have a different opinion about Largo being a proper and/or full featured emulation...
AFAIK it was never meant to be a full replacement for a Blofeld anyway.

Well, afaik they share the same code. The differences can't be that big?

[Gamma-UT]

I think the velocity sensitivity might be a bit off compared to the original DX7 or the response curve is different. On the startup E.Piano patch I was having to mash the keys a bit to get the characteristic ring - pulling the sensitivity down on a couple of operators got it more in the zone for me.

[Krakatau]

can you live with the fact that DX7-V is so much better than a real DX7?

...i can't... ... disgrace intolérable !!!!!

[Ingonator]

Well, owning Largo since 2009 and a Blofeld since 2010 i have a different opinion about Largo being a proper and/or full featured emulation...
AFAIK it was never meant to be a full replacement for a Blofeld anyway.

Well, afaik they share the same code. The differences can't be that big?

Blofeld uses a dedicated DSP chip and Largo is a plugin running on a general purpose CPU. The code used in both couldnot be identical. They could only use exactly the same code if Blofeld would include a PC with similar components as used for running the plugin.
The idea that you just have to copy the code from the hardware and then it's done just seems to be a myth...
With Nave which was first done on iOS and later for Mac/PC AFAIK the developer had to program it again from scratch.

Besides all that Blofeld while it could also sound quite differnt to Largo (also depnding on the patches and fine tuning of patches in both) it has additional features like e.g. sample playback (with around 60 MB of flash ROM), the PPG lowpass filter mode (was also included with Q/microQ) and support for custom wavetables (FWIW also the Audioterm tool could export wavetables in Blofeld format). If you use the same parameter values in both they indeed could sound different and you would have to fine tune the patches manually.

[Ingonator]

I think the velocity sensitivity might be a bit off compared to the original DX7 or the response curve is different. On the startup E.Piano patch I was having to mash the keys a bit to get the characteristic ring - pulling the sensitivity down on a couple of operators got it more in the zone for me.

At the bottom of the GUI where you could also set poylphony and unison voices there is also a "Velocity" parameter. Choices are "DX7" and "Full".
I never owned a real DX7 but AFAIK the velocity range and/or the maximum velocity value of the keyboard seemed to be limited with the real DX7, at least with the first version.

The later version DX7 II seemed to use the full velocity range. For that or for your own patches you might use the "Full" setting in DX7 V. For that first E-Piano preset in DX7 V it seems to improve the resulting sound you get from it. The difference with both setting could be quite big.

[svart]

Just (finally) having a play now with Analog Lab 3. I too don't have the sustain pedals working on analogue pianos, and there's no trace of Analog Lab 2 left in Program Data / Arturia . Win 10 Anniversay, Cubase 9.0.20. Did anyone who had this issue get it fixed somehow?

It works for me now. Uninstalled the old Analog Lab (1) (had to manually delete the .dll file afterwards). But I also installed the demo version of PIano V2, so I'm not sure which of these two actions caused it to work.