KVR Audio

foosnark · Post by **foosnark** » Sat Dec 09, 2017 12:52 pm

Hmm, does AL3 not include DX7 presets? Or... I wonder if it ate the presets when I uninstalled the demo.

(Reinstalled it, everything came back. Apparently I'd lost some other sounds as well. Hmm.)

jme-audio · Post by **jme-audio** » Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:07 pm

Ingonator wrote:The idea that you just have to copy the code from the hardware and then it's done just seems to be a myth...
With Nave which was first done on iOS and later for Mac/PC AFAIK the developer had to program it again from scratch.

Sure, porting an iOS app to PC requires a total rewrite of the UI code if no cross platform framework has been used. However, when DSP chips are programmed in a C-family language, the algorithms may compile directly or with minor adjustments on PC too.

Edit: Just found a picture of the Blofeld board, and there are not many chips on it. I bet all the DSP code runs on one of the chips. So it would just depend on how well the code is portable.

Gamma-UT · Post by **Gamma-UT** » Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:07 pm

Ingonator wrote:At the bottom of the GUI where you could also set poylphony and unison voices there is also a "Velocity" parameter. Choices are "DX7" and "Full".

I'd missed that - I was hunting around at the top for a curve control. Thanks. The good news is it's easy to tweak the operators in any case.

noiseboyuk · Post by **noiseboyuk** » Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:29 pm

svart wrote:
noiseboyuk wrote:Just (finally) having a play now with Analog Lab 3. I too don't have the sustain pedals working on analogue pianos, and there's no trace of Analog Lab 2 left in Program Data / Arturia . Win 10 Anniversay, Cubase 9.0.20. Did anyone who had this issue get it fixed somehow?
It works for me now. Uninstalled the old Analog Lab (1) (had to manually delete the .dll file afterwards). But I also installed the demo version of PIano V2, so I'm not sure which of these two actions caused it to work.

Thanks - I tried installing V1 (it wasn't originally installed), uninstalled that, then uninstalled and reinstalled AL3 all of which had no effect, but installing the V2 demo did the trick.

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:51 pm

jme-audio wrote: Edit: Just found a picture of the Blofeld board, and there are not many chips on it. I bet all the DSP code runs on one of the chips. So it would just depend on how well the code is portable.
https://www.stereoping.com/wp-content/u ... pair_2.jpg

The chips are mainly a CPU, a DSP chip and a ROM/RAM memory chip. The DSP is a Freescale DSP56371.
The CPU (and AFAIK also USB controller) is a Freescale MC9S12UF32PBE (16bits / 30Mhz)

Due to the complexity of the sound engine it is indeed amazing that the Blofeld works which both a quite small CPU and DSP chip (where the CPU chip is much smaller than the DSP). This involves a kind of optimization of the code that you will rarely find with software plugins.

Opposing to CPUs in PCs DSP only do a very specific job and are highly optimized for what they should do.
Trying to run a software plugin on a CPU with a similar processing power would be close to impossible. A CPU in a PC is built to do all kinds of calculations, not just audio specific.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sat Dec 09, 2017 2:58 pm

Maybe, but, 25 voices also isn't exactly much compared to what you have with most VSTi's. I'd guess the minimum processing power in hardware synths is always due to cost efficiency. And, of course, because it's doable, when you don't have to process a complex OS, and all sorts of background tasks.

Spitfire31 · Post by **Spitfire31** » Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:12 pm

Don't you have a sneaking feeling that this thread, on the subject of 'Arturia V Collection 6' is becoming a victim of what the military call 'mission creep'?

In other words – what do the finer points of Blofeld h/w have to do with Arturia's latest software collection?

/Joachim

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:26 pm

Spitfire31 wrote:Don't you have a sneaking feeling that this thread, on the subject of 'Arturia V Collection 6' is becoming a victim of what the military call 'mission creep'?

In other words – what do the finer points of Blofeld h/w have to do with Arturia's latest software collection?

/Joachim

Well, the discussion was not planned that way but sometimes such things happen. FWIW Largo as a hardware emulation was first mentioned by another member...

Besides that i had also posted quite a lot on topic here, so far mostly about DX7 V and Piano V2.
Yesterday i even posted an audio demo where i used the new Piano V2 major update.
I did not have much time yet to check others like e.g. CMI V and Clavinet more detailed.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:30 pm

Spitfire31 wrote:Don't you have a sneaking feeling that this thread, on the subject of 'Arturia V Collection 6' is becoming a victim of what the military call 'mission creep'?

In other words – what do the finer points of Blofeld h/w have to do with Arturia's latest software collection?

/Joachim

You can probably ask that question about 90% of the threads that get started here. Discussions on Diva's filters turn into how I'm a terrible sound designer.

You want things to make sense around here?

Good luck with that.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:32 pm

A discussion in real life rarely stays on topic forever either.

wagtunes · Post by **wagtunes** » Sat Dec 09, 2017 3:33 pm

chk071 wrote:A discussion in real life rarely stays on topic forever either.

Tell me about it. I remember back in my college days we'd get together to talk about the meaning of life and end up talking about how crappy disco was.

breakmixer · Post by **breakmixer** » Sat Dec 09, 2017 4:14 pm

Nowadays we are more likely to talk about the meaning of disco and end up talking about how crappy life is...

rod_zero · Post by **rod_zero** » Sat Dec 09, 2017 4:21 pm

The easel GUI is beautiful but honestly it is a chore to work with, Aalto is just so much better to get a glance of what is happenning and parameter values.

Buchla was quite into UI and ergonomics, I am sure if he had designed a plugin it wouldn't be photorealistic.

Caine123 · Post by **Caine123** » Sat Dec 09, 2017 4:24 pm

Hope to have time to demo dx7 and cmi

Ingonator · Post by **Ingonator** » Sat Dec 09, 2017 4:25 pm

After i played a bit with Piano V2 and DX7 V and figured out how to do certain stuff there (FWIW i had posted about that on the previous pages...) i now start to ckeck CMI V in more detail.
Obviously this is much more complex than just being a sample playback source.

I now tried to find out what exactly is done in the "Time Synth" after a sample was imported by analysis/resynthesis.
So far at the Edit page of the Time Synth it looks like there are 32 additive harmonics where each harmonic/partial has it's own multstage amp envelope.
So opposing to having a static sound based on a single additive waveform more or less this is "complex additive synthesis" comparable to what was possible with the resyntheis in e.g. Alchemy with the additive engine there.
In theory this kind of resyntheis could replicate any possible sound. In practical use especially in the way it was used in the Fairlight of course this method has it's limitations concerning properly replicating a sample/sound.

If you edited the imported sample/sound in the "time synth" it s also possible to convert it back to a sample with the "Compute !" button at the edit page.

Of course you could also program the harmonics via their corresponding envelopes from scratch. At the time synth edit page you could select "Reset All" at the "Wave Envelope" section to reset all 32 envelopes for the 32 harmonics. You coudl also create a "static" waveform if you create a kind of "Gate envelope" or you could use the same envelope shape for all harmonics you want to use. There is also a copy/paste feature for the envelopes to be able to use the same with multiple harmonics/partials.