Arturia V Collection 6

[wagtunes]

I never owned a real DX7 but AFAIK the velocity range and/or the maximum velocity value of the keyboard seemed to be limited with the real DX7, at least with the first version.

It was max 100 in velocity.

Yes, the "DX7" velocity mode in Arturia DX7 V (at the bottom of the GUI) corresponds to a maximum velocity of 100 while the "Full mode" corresponds to the full 128 velocity (like was later also found with DX7 II D and DX7 II FD).
That'S why using the "Full" velocity mode in DX7 V could sound quite different and/or more properly than tzhe "DX7" mode.
For my own patches i would prefer using the "Full" mode.

So Ingo, what are your general overall impressions of this update?

Thumbs up or thumbs down?

[Ingonator]

I never owned a real DX7 but AFAIK the velocity range and/or the maximum velocity value of the keyboard seemed to be limited with the real DX7, at least with the first version.

It was max 100 in velocity.

Yes, the "DX7" velocity mode in Arturia DX7 V (at the bottom of the GUI) corresponds to a maximum velocity of 100 while the "Full mode" corresponds to the full 128 velocity (like was later also found with DX7 II D and DX7 II FD).
That'S why using the "Full" velocity mode in DX7 V could sound quite different and/or more properly than tzhe "DX7" mode.
For my own patches i would prefer using the "Full" mode.

So Ingo, what are your general overall impressions of this update?

Thumbs up or thumbs down?

As mentioned at the previous pages here i like both Piano V2 and DX7 V really much (where Piano V2 is a big improvement over v1). Already deinstalled Dexed as i d not want to do any further comparisons.
I just started to dive into the the synthesis options of CMI V (also see my last posts here) and those could be really interesting besides the usual sample playback stuff which could create some amazing sounds too (and you could convert the "Time Synth" sounds to samples too, also sounds created from scratch).

I have not checked the Easel V and Clavient much yet. Anyway as i am not too much into typical modular synth stuff (while Arturia Modular V could be quite cool) the Easel might not be too much interesting for me and actually might be the last one i will check out more detailed.

Overall i would say that V-Collection 6 looks like a great update to the always growing collection of Arturia emulations. What's great is that all those products are actually modeled emulations (including CMI V) insteaad of just using a sample playback appproach like in e.g. most of the the UVI emulations (except those that also use the synthesis options of Falcon and the latest UVi Workstation).

Over a longer time someting like e.g. the fully physical modeled Piano V2 (and in the future maybe also a Piano V3) might prove to be one of the most useful additions as a good piano is very versatile concerning where it could be used opposing to certain synth sounds (while in this could be also true for certain DX7 or DX7 V E-Piano sounds).

[wagtunes]

I never owned a real DX7 but AFAIK the velocity range and/or the maximum velocity value of the keyboard seemed to be limited with the real DX7, at least with the first version.

It was max 100 in velocity.

Yes, the "DX7" velocity mode in Arturia DX7 V (at the bottom of the GUI) corresponds to a maximum velocity of 100 while the "Full mode" corresponds to the full 128 velocity (like was later also found with DX7 II D and DX7 II FD).
That'S why using the "Full" velocity mode in DX7 V could sound quite different and/or more properly than tzhe "DX7" mode.
For my own patches i would prefer using the "Full" mode.

So Ingo, what are your general overall impressions of this update?

Thumbs up or thumbs down?

As mentioned at the previous page i really like both Piano V2 and DX7 V really much (wheer Piano VS2 is a big improvement over v1).
I just started to dive into the the syntheis options of CMI V (also see my last posts here) and those could be really interesting besides the usual sampl playback stuff which could create some amazing sounds too (and you could convert the "Time Synth" sounds to samples too, also sounds created from scratch).

I have not checked the Easel V and Clavient much yet. Anyway as i am not too much into typical modular synth stuff (while Arturia Modular V could be quite cool) the Easel might not be too much interesting for me and actually might be the last one i will check out more detailed.

Overall i would say that V-Collection 6 looks like a great update to the always growing collection of Arturia emulations. What's great is that all those products are actually modeled emulations (including CMI V) insteaad of just using a sample playback appproach like in e.g. most of the the UVI emulations (except those that also use the synthesis options of Falcon and the latest UVi Workstation).

Over a longer time someting like e.g. the fully physical modeled Piano V2 (and in the future maybe also a Piano V3) might prove to be one of the most useful additions as a good piano is very versatile concerning where it could be used opposing to certain synth sounds (while in this could be also true for certain DX7 or DX7 V E-Piano sounds).

Thanks. I'm sure I"m probably going to dive in and get it before the Jan 10 deadline and the price goes up.

[ghettosynth]

It can be mathematically shown that some emulations are more accurate than others

Aha, by what?

LOL! Cmon man, you're clearly out of your depth and you know it. You're just trying to save face at this point and it's not going to work. Read "The Art of VA Filter Design" and educate yourself. From there you can take a look at recent models in Reaktor, no reverse engineering necessary, and also older models in Reaktor, again, no reverse engineering necessary. Spend some time there and you'll see for yourself how models and circuits relate and how we can show that some models are more accurate than others via mathematics.

This all started because you didn't understand what the word objective means. You aren't going to convince anyone now that you know anything about circuits or mathematics. Anyone that does wouldn't have made that mistake in the first place.

[Examigan]

My opinion is:

Get the demos and try them.
If you don't like them, just don't buy them.
Why argue about it?

Can't we all get along?

[braj]

My opinion is:

Get the demos and try them.
If you don't like them, just don't buy them.
Why argue about it?

Can't we all get along?

This is KVR, let alone Planet Earth.

[ghettosynth]

My opinion is:

Get the demos and try them.
If you don't like them, just don't buy them.
Why argue about it?

Can't we all get along?

We're discussing synths because that's what people who are interested in the technology do.

To be clear though, I'm pretty impressed with the Buchla and I think that Arturia has come a long way since the 2600. I also think that it's not surprising that the CPU usage reflects the better performance.

I think that this is a good release and will be completely worth the $99 that I will eventually pay for it.

[wagtunes]

My opinion is:

Get the demos and try them.
If you don't like them, just don't buy them.
Why argue about it?

Can't we all get along?

We're discussing synths because that's what people who are interested in the technology do.

To be clear though, I'm pretty impressed with the Buchla and I think that Arturia has come a long way since the 2600. I also think that it's not surprising that the CPU usage reflects the better performance.

I think that this is a good release and will be completely worth the $99 that I will eventually pay for it.

I realize I'm asking you to speculate here but what the heck.

What do you estimate is the percentage of musicians who use synths who genuinely care about the specs as opposed to those who just want a synth that they can make music with that, to their ears, sounds good regardless of how the synth is put together?

[ghettosynth]

I realize I'm asking you to speculate here but what the heck.

What do you estimate is the percentage of musicians who use synths who genuinely care about the specs as opposed to those who just want a synth that they can make music with that, to their ears, sounds good regardless of how the synth is put together?

There's obviously no way that I could speculate on that and, for me, it just doesn't matter. I'm not even convinced that it's a valid dichotomy.

[wagtunes]

I realize I'm asking you to speculate here but what the heck.

What do you estimate is the percentage of musicians who use synths who genuinely care about the specs as opposed to those who just want a synth that they can make music with that, to their ears, sounds good regardless of how the synth is put together?

There's obviously no way that I could speculate on that and, for me, it just doesn't matter. I'm not even convinced that it's a valid dichotomy.

That's fair enough. I'm actually kind of in the middle. If somebody says to me that a certain synth has 0df fillters, I'll probably expect them to sound good but not necessarily automatically say they're good until I've actually heard them. Conversely, just because something doesn't have 0df filters doesn't mean I'll automatically dismiss it. I'll still want to hear what it sounds like.

I have synths that, technically, I'm sure you would say are "inferior" synths that I enjoy using. Because for me, they sound "good enough". The older Arturia synths are a perfect example of that. I like the 2600. I know it's not an "accurate" emulation but I don't care. I can still use it to make music and I'm sure the layman out in the street listening on his iPhone wouldn't know the difference anyway.

But I do understand the desire and enjoyment of tech talk.

[jme-audio]

It can be mathematically shown that some emulations are more accurate than others

Aha, by what?

LOL! Cmon man, you're clearly out of your depth and you know it. You're just trying to save face at this point and it's not going to work. Read "The Art of VA Filter Design" and educate yourself. From there you can take a look at recent models in Reaktor, no reverse engineering necessary, and also older models in Reaktor, again, no reverse engineering necessary. Spend some time there and you'll see for yourself how models and circuits relate and how we can show that some models are more accurate than others via mathematics.

This all started because you didn't understand what the word objective means. You aren't going to convince anyone now that you know anything about circuits or mathematics. Anyone that does wouldn't have made that mistake in the first place.

So you used Reaktor for a while and learned something about circuits and math...
And then, how do you objectively prove the accurateness of Diva or the Legend using math?
Btw. going to read this bullshit tomorrow... gotta sleep

[ghettosynth]

So you used Reaktor for a while and learned something about circuits and math...
And then, how do you objectively prove the accurateness of Diva or the Legend using math?
Btw. going to read this bullshit tomorrow... gotta sleep

I said nothing about me, I gave you a path to understand how math and circuits relate. With every post yo make you give away that you have no command of the language of science. I'd let this go if I were you, you've been off topic for pages.

[braj]

I wish they would update the 2600V and bring back the blue skin, I don't like dark backgrounds, it screws with my eyes. And I suspect they eventually will get better zdf filters but the cpu cost may be why that hasn't happened yet. One day I hope.

[waltercruz]

So you used Reaktor for a while and learned something about circuits and math...
And then, how do you objectively prove the accurateness of Diva or the Legend using math?
Btw. going to read this bullshit tomorrow... gotta sleep

well, even if the used had access to the source code of both synths, it couldn't be proved that it's a more or less exact emulation, but only if the filter is a "good" ZDF filter or not.

[waltercruz]

User powerdx7 from youtube has done a comparison between DX7 and Dexed. The first 4 minutes of the video he compares 3 factory patches and show the very little differences between DX7 and Dexed. Maybe this video can be used as a reference for comparison (at least for those 3 patches).



I have a TX-7 packed here, someday I will turn it on to make the comparison myself.