Bitwig NAMM 2019 videos

[antic604]

Good that it confirms what most people were expecting, that the update is included in the current price plan and doesn't involve any extra costs

But they still make the same mistake - "it's free for anyone who currently owns Bitwig" which simply isn't true if your plan runs out before release. One'd think they'd be more careful about this considering how much flack Bitwig gets for it's "subscription" plan...

Anyway, great stuff so far, especially the 2nd video - I love how the modules snap to each other and how fun this will be with touch interface!

[LimEboy]

Good that it confirms what most people were expecting, that the update is included in the current price plan and doesn't involve any extra costs

But they still make the same mistake - "it's free for anyone who currently owns Bitwig" which simply isn't true if your plan runs out before release. One'd think they'd be more careful about this considering how much flack Bitwig gets for it's "subscription" plan...

Anyway, great stuff so far, especially the 2nd video - I love how the modules snap to each other and how fun this will be with touch interface!

It should be said that they might have grace periods if your subscription ran out just before the update like they had with other updates (as I've been told by other people who's gotten an update after it ran out).

[SpaceCadetOnLeave]

Can one make midi devices?

Oh it would be so smart if they would make that 1 of the priorities. That would be "The Bitwig Way" to do things, indeed.
They would tackle all the valid criticism about not being a mature composing DAW in 1 graceful sweep.

[antic604]

It should be said that they might have grace periods if your subscription ran out just before the update like they had with other updates (as I've been told by other people who's gotten an update after it ran out).

Has that really happened, i.e. they've granted someone an update if their plan has ran out just few days prior to it? Never heard of that.

Either way, they should really be careful and clear with how they word this.

Just compare what they do with release date - they're "targeting Q2" and that's a smart statement, but on the downside puts the "anyone who owns Bitwig right now" into even more shaky territory.

BTW, I'm writing all this because I care about Bitwig and don't want to have to go around forums and FB and explain to people that "no, despite what they said your plan unfortunately ran out and you need to buy the upgrade"

[dekonstruktiv]

Has that really happened, i.e. they've granted someone an update if their plan has ran out just few days prior to it?

yeah. iirc i got the 2.4 update although my plan did run out a bit before that.

[antic604]

Has that really happened, i.e. they've granted someone an update if their plan has ran out just few days prior to it?

yeah. iirc i got the 2.4 update although my plan did run out a bit before that.

Good for you! I wasn't aware they did that

[Hez]

So far the gui looks amazing and I'm very hopeful for the future development of The Grid!

However, the actual audio tools so far look slightly limited. In the oscillators section in the second video I only saw sine/triangle/square/sawtooth and couldn't see any other sound source type options in the other groups. I'm unsure at this point how deeply ingrained the phase side of things is, hopefully we can at least manipulate these oscillators a lot by screwing with phase signals before "running" the oscillators? Also doesn't look like we'll be able to get crazy with samples yet, which is a huge part of what makes Reaktor an interesting environment for me.

It does look like a fantastic framework though with so much potential.

[Erwin78]

Good that it confirms what most people were expecting, that the update is included in the current price plan and doesn't involve any extra costs

But they still make the same mistake - "it's free for anyone who currently owns Bitwig" which simply isn't true if your plan runs out before release. One'd think they'd be more careful about this considering how much flack Bitwig gets for it's "subscription" plan...

Anyway, great stuff so far, especially the 2nd video - I love how the modules snap to each other and how fun this will be with touch interface!

Is it that hard to read their site?


Availability Information
Here Before You Know It

Bitwig Studio 3 will be previewed at NAMM (January 2019) and will enter public beta shortly afterwards. Expected release of Bitwig Studio 3 is Q2 2019.

Bitwig Studio 3 is free for everyone with an active Upgrade Plan.

With sonic possibilities in every direction, The Grid will make creating something new a habit instead of a challenge. Get ready for the next step of our musical evolution, and also yours.

[antic604]

Is it that hard to read their site?

True, it isn't.

But still many Bitwig users and majority of people interested in Bitwig complain and don't understand the licensing policy/plan, so they should be extra careful & precise.

And BTW, that exact thing you quoted is misleading. It should read: "Bitwig Studio 3 is free for everyone with an active Upgrade Plan at the moment its released" because - believe me - many people will understand that as in "active" NOW.

And that's also something that could be construed from the video on previous page, where Dave says:

It's included for anybody who has Bitwig. So if you're a current user, you'll get it on day one.

Go to 3:12 here:
https://youtu.be/A7riXAB4-e4

[antic604]

I'm unsure at this point how deeply ingrained the phase side of things is, hopefully we can at least manipulate these oscillators a lot by screwing with phase signals before "running" the oscillators?

They've addressed that in the official statement, I think?

https://www.bitwig.com/en/19/bitwig-studio-3

Phase is the place. After pitch, timbre, and loudness, phase is the essential element of sound, capable of driving basic time functions, complex modulation synthesis, and so much more. With a dedicated category of phase modules, we have made these concepts freshly accessible and newly relevant for modern music production.

[Enkerli]

Short vid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMX64ZYd2zw

Embarrassing @ 5:09

Dunno. Thought Dave reacted pretty much in the right way in just carrying on. Par for the course to get a few bugs. And We’ll get similar things during the user beta.
In a way, it felt refreshing, to me.

[Enkerli]

This second video above really shows to me the beauty of UI they've designed here. I'm also really pleased to see there's still a strong focus on touch ability.

Some people complain about the overall UI. It might not be everyone’s style, which is completely fair. And it’s pretty clear that they didn’t spend most of their energy on creating nifty visuals. To your point, it does feel like the UI makes things easy and quick to do without overthinking anything. And it’s not just because Dave is used to doing it.

[Enkerli]

Might as well pop this one in here too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7riXAB4-e4

What’s precious in this one is that the camera person didn’t perceive what’s on screen to be that important. But we did get to check out a few more items from the list of modules (which is obviously not finalized as Dave keeps saying that the 120 number is just what it is right now).

[Enkerli]

Seems like it may need another type of grid for that (midifx) or it way just work with ploy grid...you seem to be able to build sequencers, so that may be midi in (effect) midi out already?

Good point on what might become MIDI FX. Pairing the sequencer-type modules (pitches, gates, steps, probabilities) with modulators and Note FX devices, maybe we could hack together some MIDI FX? We’re already fairly close.
It’s interesting that Dave was hesitating on the number of grid types (and he did specify that these are the three types right now). Sounds to me like he wasn’t sure other types had made the cut for this version and MIDI FX is the next logical type since CV is already taken care of.
Since it’s the same list of modules for all three grid types, the difference between the three intrigues me. They probably expect different I/O but was that distinction necessary in a system which already uses the same signal for everything?

[nbyte]

I have asked on the bitwig facebook site, if it is possible to manipulate midi notes too! One Bitwig official said, that at this point the mainly focus is on audio and modulation signal. But The Grid concept can be expanded in all direction...