Which drum synth do you recommend
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- 7624 posts since 13 Nov, 2015 from Norway
Does Stix require iLok?
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- KVRAF
- 35569 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
I absolutely detest dedicated drum synths. They always limit the possibilities. When i use one of the modern flagship VA synth (with basic FM), i feel like i have everything to create drum sounds.
Why do i post this here? Not sure. Maybe to give a perspective, and a hint that you can get everything done in a "normal" synth as well. Never got the appeal of drum synths.
Why do i post this here? Not sure. Maybe to give a perspective, and a hint that you can get everything done in a "normal" synth as well. Never got the appeal of drum synths.
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thecontrolcentre thecontrolcentre https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=76240
- KVRAF
- 35296 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from the wilds of wanny
Drumaxx uses physical modelling, rather than traditional synthesis or samples. I like it, bur never see it mentioned around here ...
https://www.image-line.com/plugins/Synths/Drumaxx/
https://www.image-line.com/plugins/Synths/Drumaxx/
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- 7624 posts since 13 Nov, 2015 from Norway
Drumaxx is great.
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david.beholder david.beholder https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=159839
- KVRAF
- 1866 posts since 13 Sep, 2007
Yes, unfortunately.
From site: Protection iLok (iLok1, iLok 2 and Soft), USB-eLicenser
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- KVRAF
- 10260 posts since 19 Feb, 2004 from Paris
Soft Ilok is nearly identical to NI service center, Arturia/wave systems, and, more generally, all c/r systems though (i.e thousands of thousands of users), and less restrictive than cloud services (Roland etc). And of course it doesn't require an hardware dongle.david.beholder wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:23 amYes, unfortunately.
From site: Protection iLok (iLok1, iLok 2 and Soft), USB-eLicenser
http://www.lelotusbleu.fr Synth Presets
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77 Exclusive Soundbanks for 23 synths, 8 Sound Designers, Hours of audio Demos. The Sound you miss might be there
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- KVRAF
- 15533 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
Bullshit, and I don't say that lightly. Look, don't get me wrong, I f**king love my iLok stuff, but a dongle is necessary to get the proper value from iLok. NI is nothing like soft-iLok. NI is supportive, available, responsive, and not uptight. The most common problems with iLok revolve around soft-ilok and the hoops people have to jump through to fix problems.Lotuzia wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 10:39 amSoft Ilok is nearly identical to NI service center, Arturia/wave systems, and, more generally, all c/r systems though (i.e thousands of thousands of users), and less restrictive than cloud services (Roland etc). And of course it doesn't require an hardware dongle.david.beholder wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:23 amYes, unfortunately.
From site: Protection iLok (iLok1, iLok 2 and Soft), USB-eLicenser
NI is far less heavyweight than iLok.
Get the dongle, and stop trusting your licenses to something that is super volatile, your computer, or, don't bother with iLok and use C/R protection that is, at least, backed by a big company that isn't quite so uptight.
Dongle iLok: Highly recommended
NI C/R: Highly recommended
Soft iLok: Absolutely not recommended
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- KVRAF
- 10260 posts since 19 Feb, 2004 from Paris
It really depends on the drum synth. Microtonic uses specific algos that can't be replicated with VA synths. Same with Tremor, wich unfortunately became nearly abandonware iirc.chk071 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:17 am I absolutely detest dedicated drum synths. They always limit the possibilities. When i use one of the modern flagship VA synth (with basic FM), i feel like i have everything to create drum sounds.
Why do i post this here? Not sure. Maybe to give a perspective, and a hint that you can get everything done in a "normal" synth as well. Never got the appeal of drum synths.
For StiX, wich can mix morphing analog oscillators, FM @ aufio rate, RM, Am, but also samples for a simple drum sound, you can do FM between samples and analog oscillators. Not really possible with your standard VA. You can also perform various types of Cross synthesis ( interactions between samples and analog oscs). But even to replicate some very simple vintage topology emulation, like some iconic Tr-xxx modules, you'll need the noise for example to bypass the main filter AND have it's own filter. Or : how to assign the same one shot LFO to affect/shape the curve/Bend of three different audio sources in your typical VA ? And the list coud go on forever. So some sounds that you can make with Stix can't definitely be done with other synths, or drum machines.
Then, to be fair, some sounds you can make with this or that VA, orwith other synthesis methods like complex multi operator FM alogos, can't be replicated by StiX as well. A simple example : The analog modeled filter(s) character(s) is enough to differentiate two instruments, wether they are specialised in drum sounds or standard synths.
So, it's more complex that one can think at first sight imho. Ymmv.
http://www.lelotusbleu.fr Synth Presets
77 Exclusive Soundbanks for 23 synths, 8 Sound Designers, Hours of audio Demos. The Sound you miss might be there
77 Exclusive Soundbanks for 23 synths, 8 Sound Designers, Hours of audio Demos. The Sound you miss might be there
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- KVRAF
- 10260 posts since 19 Feb, 2004 from Paris
I also prefer the dongle, but most of my friends don't, and use soft Ilok. Afaik, they are all very happy with it. Having the choice anyway I see as an opportunity.ghettosynth wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 10:47 amBullshit, and I don't say that lightly. Look, don't get me wrong, I f**king love my iLok stuff, but a dongle is necessary to get the proper value from iLok. NI is nothing like soft-iLok. NI is supportive, available, responsive, and not uptight. The most common problems with iLok revolve around soft-ilok and the hoops people have to jump through to fix problems.Lotuzia wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 10:39 amSoft Ilok is nearly identical to NI service center, Arturia/wave systems, and, more generally, all c/r systems though (i.e thousands of thousands of users), and less restrictive than cloud services (Roland etc). And of course it doesn't require an hardware dongle.david.beholder wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:23 amYes, unfortunately.
From site: Protection iLok (iLok1, iLok 2 and Soft), USB-eLicenser
NI is far less heavyweight than iLok.
Get the dongle, and stop trusting your licenses to something that is super volatile, your computer, or, don't bother with iLok and use C/R protection that is, at least, backed by a big company that isn't quite so uptight.
Dongle iLok: Highly recommended
NI C/R: Highly recommended
Soft iLok: Absolutely not recommended
http://www.lelotusbleu.fr Synth Presets
77 Exclusive Soundbanks for 23 synths, 8 Sound Designers, Hours of audio Demos. The Sound you miss might be there
77 Exclusive Soundbanks for 23 synths, 8 Sound Designers, Hours of audio Demos. The Sound you miss might be there
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- KVRAF
- 15533 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
I'm sure STix is great, but none of that is outside the scope of a modern soft-modular.Lotuzia wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 10:53 amIt really depends on the drum synth. Microtonic uses specific algos that can't be replicated with VA synths. Same with Tremor, wich unfortunately became nearly abandonware iirc.chk071 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 12:17 am I absolutely detest dedicated drum synths. They always limit the possibilities. When i use one of the modern flagship VA synth (with basic FM), i feel like i have everything to create drum sounds.
Why do i post this here? Not sure. Maybe to give a perspective, and a hint that you can get everything done in a "normal" synth as well. Never got the appeal of drum synths.
For StiX, wich can mix morphing analog oscillators, FM @ aufio rate, RM, Am, but also samples for a simple drum sound, you can do FM between samples and analog oscillators. Not really possible with your standard VA. You can also perform various types of Cross synthesis ( interactions between samples and analog oscs). But even to replicate some very simple vintage topology emulation, like some iconic Tr-xxx modules, you'll need the noise for example to bypass the main filter AND have it's own filter. Or : how to assign the same one shot LFO to affect/shape the curve/Bend of three different audio sources in your typical VA ? And the list coud go on forever. So some sounds that you can make with Stix can't definitely be done with other synths, or drum machines.
Then, to be fair, some sounds you can make with this or that VA, orwith other synthesis methods like complex multi operator FM alogos, can't be replicated by StiX as well. A simple example : The analog modeled filter(s) character(s) is enough to differentiate two instruments, wether they are specialised in drum sounds or standard synths.
So, it's more complex that one can think at first sight imho. Ymmv.
Maschine+Reaktor for the win.
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- KVRAF
- 15533 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
Sure, when it works, it's like any other copy protection scheme that works, everybody loves it because it works. The only way to judge it is when it breaks. You don't have to look far to compare examples of when each of the above choices breaks to see why soft-ilok isn't comparable to NI's solution.Lotuzia wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 10:55 amI also prefer the dongle, but most of my friends don't, and use soft Ilok. Afaik, they are all very happy with it. Having the choice anyway I see as an opportunity.ghettosynth wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 10:47 amBullshit, and I don't say that lightly. Look, don't get me wrong, I f**king love my iLok stuff, but a dongle is necessary to get the proper value from iLok. NI is nothing like soft-iLok. NI is supportive, available, responsive, and not uptight. The most common problems with iLok revolve around soft-ilok and the hoops people have to jump through to fix problems.Lotuzia wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 10:39 amSoft Ilok is nearly identical to NI service center, Arturia/wave systems, and, more generally, all c/r systems though (i.e thousands of thousands of users), and less restrictive than cloud services (Roland etc). And of course it doesn't require an hardware dongle.david.beholder wrote: ↑Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:23 amYes, unfortunately.
From site: Protection iLok (iLok1, iLok 2 and Soft), USB-eLicenser
NI is far less heavyweight than iLok.
Get the dongle, and stop trusting your licenses to something that is super volatile, your computer, or, don't bother with iLok and use C/R protection that is, at least, backed by a big company that isn't quite so uptight.
Dongle iLok: Highly recommended
NI C/R: Highly recommended
Soft iLok: Absolutely not recommended
- vvvvvvv
- Topic Starter
- 2578 posts since 24 Oct, 2000 from skelmersdale, west lancs, uk
Looking initially for more of a synth drum workstation, not a sample player like Battery.
Maybe I should have said this in the beginning. My bad
What's the problem with Tremor? (is there a problem?)
Maybe I should have said this in the beginning. My bad
What's the problem with Tremor? (is there a problem?)
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- KVRian
- 1325 posts since 17 Aug, 2012 from Old Zealand
Maybe this one could interest you:https://www.ineardisplay.com/plugins/ephemere/
Very nice for unusual sonds.
Very nice for unusual sonds.
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- 10732 posts since 17 Nov, 2015
you have Dune3 right?kevvvvv wrote: ↑Thu Jun 20, 2019 4:10 pm I've no experience of drum synths much beyond pad-triggered sample players (battery, impact, BFD).
But last week I got 2together Audio's Kick Synth, really like it, and want more of everything!!!
I'd like to hear which drum synth you prefer.
I'm more interested in a comprehensive staple drum synth that'll last, rather than a cool but limited gadget.
Maybe with multichannel outs, midi import/export, bags of presets, nice tweakability
Your thoughts welcome
perfect for any type of drum sound
some good presets included as ideas/start points
one shot lfo mode for transients, and 8 layers to sculpt the sound
no multi out, but a drum sound uses f-all cpu, so you can easily build a decent kit