In a subscription model, customers are at the mercy of the seller. PA could raise subscription fee at any time, leaving you with the choice of getting out (empty handed) or paying up.
The "NEW" Plugin Alliance?
- KVRAF
- 8997 posts since 1 Aug, 2003
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- KVRAF
- 2982 posts since 9 Dec, 2008
- KVRAF
- 8997 posts since 1 Aug, 2003
Now all we need is to get all devs to leave the alliance, and our investment will be safe
- KVRAF
- 8997 posts since 1 Aug, 2003
While that would be nice, it doesn't safeguard against devs going out of business. I'd rather own the software I bought.Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:28 pm I think one approach to managing the subscription anxiety regarding opening older project files would be if the companies that sold subscriptions had an affordable 48 hour pass for the specific purpose of revisiting old projects after your subscription had lapsed.
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- KVRist
- 340 posts since 21 Feb, 2017
There's possibility that they'll be doing less sales for people who want to buy plugins. Either that, or they raise the prices (the recent new plugins all have fairly expensive prices). So it's not entirely "optional" if they take the route to try "encourage" people to go subscription route.
- KVRAF
- 4818 posts since 25 Jan, 2014 from The End of The World as We Knowit
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- KVRAF
- 4821 posts since 17 Aug, 2004
Though i have yet to see their SSL Channel E alternative. Put EQ and dynamics aside i don't know any other plugin which can spread sounds so naturally.Etienne1973 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:22 amIf you don't name-calling them then it's absolutely legit in my book. C'est le ton qui fait la musique. Just have style.ralfrobert wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:39 amI think I will make a list of all PA plugins listing alternatives. However, I think it is not a good idea to post a thing like that to the web, as I may get tarred and feathered by PA for damaging their business (and their families, oh my).
That TMT crap did worked wonders actually.
While we are at it can anyone tell me how to "mimic" that TMT behavior. Simple way. Put mono kickdrum on a channel. Slap PA SSL channel strip and watch on Vectorscope. It rotate and spread sound. Subtly but evidently.
How can i mimic that?
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- KVRAF
- 1863 posts since 11 Apr, 2008
IMO Waves CLA MixBucket have much better EQ and compression. The one from BX sounds to me not different than native DAW plugins: flat and mediocre. I really don't understand why people are so hyped about BX SSL consoles but it's my own opinion. For TMT I have 2098 EQ tho so I don't count this feature (which is missing in Waves CLA plugin).kmonkey wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:53 amThough i have yet to see their SSL Channel E alternative. Put EQ and dynamics aside i don't know any other plugin which can spread sounds so naturally.Etienne1973 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:22 amIf you don't name-calling them then it's absolutely legit in my book. C'est le ton qui fait la musique. Just have style.ralfrobert wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:39 amI think I will make a list of all PA plugins listing alternatives. However, I think it is not a good idea to post a thing like that to the web, as I may get tarred and feathered by PA for damaging their business (and their families, oh my).
That TMT crap did worked wonders actually.
While we are at it can anyone tell me how to "mimic" that TMT behavior. Simple way. Put mono kickdrum on a channel. Slap PA SSL channel strip and watch on Vectorscope. It rotate and spread sound. Subtly but evidently.
How can i mimic that?
To emulate TMT behavior you would have to use plugin that would create THD distortion + plugin with random panning feature yet very very tiny amount and TMT is probably frequency/level dependant (+way more under the hood). So probably it's not possible to mimic it without using multiple plugins + automation*
* and it's all just my guess. I don't have any technical knowledge about technology/code used in TMT
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- KVRist
- 488 posts since 16 Jun, 2013 from Morocco
Basically any stereo-izer tool. There is the free stereo imager from iZotope, Boz/JST also had a free one, among many other tools notably Matthew Lane's Stereodelta / Dr ms.kmonkey wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:53 amThough i have yet to see their SSL Channel E alternative. Put EQ and dynamics aside i don't know any other plugin which can spread sounds so naturally.Etienne1973 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:22 amIf you don't name-calling them then it's absolutely legit in my book. C'est le ton qui fait la musique. Just have style.ralfrobert wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:39 amI think I will make a list of all PA plugins listing alternatives. However, I think it is not a good idea to post a thing like that to the web, as I may get tarred and feathered by PA for damaging their business (and their families, oh my).
That TMT crap did worked wonders actually.
While we are at it can anyone tell me how to "mimic" that TMT behavior. Simple way. Put mono kickdrum on a channel. Slap PA SSL channel strip and watch on Vectorscope. It rotate and spread sound. Subtly but evidently.
How can i mimic that?
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- KVRAF
- 11519 posts since 16 Aug, 2006
Use a stereo EQ. Offset the gain on one channel by a few tenths of a db. Then EQ both channels similarly but adjust the center point of the frequency slightly for each band on each channel. So if cutting low mids cut the right channel by 400hz and the left by 385hz. Cut the right by 3db cut the left by 3.2db. Cut .3db of output gain on one channel. Now repeat these types of random adjustments for each EQ stereo EQ channel. Any stereo EQ where you can freely adjust the frequency and gain (e.g. not stepped) and independently adjust the output gain can do it. Would be tedious though. The goal is to create slight differences between each channel in a stereo pair to simulate the tolerances in components. This will make things sound wider due to the differences and never EQing any channel exactly the same. Kind of like slightly unlinking a stereo compressor to get width.kmonkey wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:53 amThough i have yet to see their SSL Channel E alternative. Put EQ and dynamics aside i don't know any other plugin which can spread sounds so naturally.Etienne1973 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2019 9:22 amIf you don't name-calling them then it's absolutely legit in my book. C'est le ton qui fait la musique. Just have style.ralfrobert wrote: ↑Tue Jul 16, 2019 8:39 amI think I will make a list of all PA plugins listing alternatives. However, I think it is not a good idea to post a thing like that to the web, as I may get tarred and feathered by PA for damaging their business (and their families, oh my).
That TMT crap did worked wonders actually.
While we are at it can anyone tell me how to "mimic" that TMT behavior. Simple way. Put mono kickdrum on a channel. Slap PA SSL channel strip and watch on Vectorscope. It rotate and spread sound. Subtly but evidently.
How can i mimic that?
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- KVRist
- 161 posts since 12 Mar, 2012
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- KVRAF
- 2398 posts since 28 Sep, 2012
Hard to play the pity card when you’re living large racing super cars.
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- KVRian
- 511 posts since 15 Dec, 2012 from Waunakee, Wiscompton
So it’s been discovered that the “personal code” for the $179 subscription level is the SAME for everyone that’s seen it.
Who has a code for something less than $149?
Who has a code for something less than $149?
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- KVRAF
- 2398 posts since 28 Sep, 2012
If the marketing hype wasn’t obvious before...hence why I always resisted PA. I like UA, but PA are so transparently full of it it’s kind of insulting.
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- KVRAF
- 4821 posts since 17 Aug, 2004
Basically any stereo-izer tool. There is the free stereo imager from iZotope, Boz/JST also had a free one, among many other tools notably Matthew Lane's Stereodelta / Dr ms.
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Thanks but i tried these. No really i did. It's not just pan shift or phase rotation. Or m/s delay to add spatial effect.
Actually i never tried Matthew Lane's Stereodelta thanks for pointing it out.