I apologize for my mistakes made in the past

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

I'm ok with not tolerating posting warez links and such but the piracy question should be perfectly legitimate discussion topic in proper context.

No it's not. End of discussion.

Of course there are contexts that are legitimate and appropriate. Are you suggesting that any talk of piracy will be met with warnings, bans etc.?

[Hink]

I'm ok with not tolerating posting warez links and such but the piracy question should be perfectly legitimate discussion topic in proper context.

No it's not. End of discussion.

Of course there are contexts that are legitimate and appropriate. Are you suggesting that any talk of piracy will be met with warnings, bans etc.?

dude, did you see the pic I posted?

[Markus Krause]

Just one comment concerning formality: when I get a ”open letter”, I wish I knew who is it from. ”Markus Krause” doesn’t tell me anything. The company name under the person name is the common way to express that.
Expecting the sender deduction indirectly via the included link, especially when many will not click the link, is not very practical way.

Below the post is my signature "tone2 audiosoftware www.tone2.com". But it seems that it is not displayed on all mobile devices. It is a technical issue of the forum software and should be addressed

[Hink]

oops I spoke too soon



please note the first 6 words in the result for KvR...this my friends is why I am so strict on the subject, out of respect for our developers

I'll post it again...and again...and again...and again until people see the problem with this. I did this google this morning 1billion percent unacceptable...we said done and we're done, copy protection is fine but if it heads toward piracy we are going to stop because of this GET IT?

If not too bad, it is what it is...we are not morons, we are not ignorant, we dont have our heads in the sand...as this pic shows there is damn good reason and we do it for the developers.

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

I'm ok with not tolerating posting warez links and such but the piracy question should be perfectly legitimate discussion topic in proper context.

No it's not. End of discussion.

Of course there are contexts that are legitimate and appropriate. Are you suggesting that any talk of piracy will be met with warnings, bans etc.?

dude, did you see the pic I posted?

Do you mean the screen-grab that showed that someone who had at one time been using software illegally had now ponyed up the cash to support the developer? Because that tells a positive story. And you've obviously seen this played out hundreds of times, here, before. where somebody turned legit at some point.

Not sure how you read that as a negative, especially when I personally would credit communities like this for making that kind of transition the norm. Having an open forum where members rub shoulders with developers puts a very human face to said developers, and encourages the practice of paying for goods, in a world where technology and general societal conditioning makes it so easy not to.

You should be proud

[el-bo (formerly ebow)]

P.S I went legit a few years before joining this forum. But I doubt I'm the only member here, who you respect (or at least you did ) who used to use illegal software. And I'm sure you know and love people who have the odd burned cd from a mate, and who had their first viewing of E.T on some dodgy VHS tape.

Let's please not deny it's existence. Let's encourage people towards doing the right thing

[Hink]

Stop spinning, it s about our reputation as a trusted site

[rezoneight]

"Did you also know that their installers come with hunter-killer side program that searches all through your Program Files, System32, WOW64 and so on, looking for ripped off copies of their products, and when it finds one it dials home and meanwhile kills the synth, etc., it deems unlicensed?"
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=443447

Well, if you'd like to be ruthless then I've plenty of ruthlessness in reserve. Just give me a call if you do want some more

imagine pirating a dev's products and then complaining to the dev about your cracks no longer working. this post is amazing on so many levels

imagine if we listened to the mod and stopped talking about piracy...get on topic or dont post...please note a suspension was already handed out, because my request keeps getting ignored...ftr I will permaban before I lock Markus' thread, his apology thread is not the place for all the piracy crap.

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With respect, the whole issue at hand, and the basis of this thread and apology, stem from a foundation of issues of piracy and the means developers use to protect themselves against it.

It's absolutely on-topic for it to be discussed.

Furthermore, if nobody is condoning piracy or advising that it be a legitimate alternative route (as has happened on various occasions), to obtaining products from developers who are perhaps being accused of acting shady, then why are we not allowed to discuss it? Are we supposed to deny the existence of piracy, when it is such an important, albeit unfortunate, part of this industry? How are we to find solutions? And how are we all supposed to help encourage members, who will inevitably end up finding 'us' through various nefarious sites, to understand that this is, in most cases, an industry full of small developers who need people to become legitimate customers, to continue to survive.

Again, to clarify: Nobody is suggesting that pro-piracy talk should be tolerated. I just don't think that this blanket ban on even acknowledging it's existence is helping anyone

well what I deleted was about justifications and that's why I asked fore talk to stop and for damn good reason...you see I have conducted a number of experiments in the past when I got shit for this. What I did was googled for the product name and whatever keyword was in the thread, came back every time, the top results came back to KvR.

You are 100% right that this should not be used as a blanket and you're even more wrong on the fact I do. This thread was going into dangerous territory with certain people absolutely getting into the pros and cons of piracy and that cannot happen. If we get that and I am here being the asshole I am, new people see right away this is not a crack site.

We have a lot of topics about copy protection, that's fine and we will continue to have such threads. In those threads if people come in looking for cracks the quickly see the conversation is not about that and is just about copy protection and hopefully move on.

This thread isnt coming up in search engines yet, I damn well intend on keeping it that way and protecting the integrity of KvR for all. I do see your point, but when anyone in any thread I see starts debating pros and cons I step in. BTW I was first drawn to this by a report that this thread was suggesting piracy.

This is competely wrong. The guy who got a temporary suspension, me, was absolutely NOT getting into the pros and cons. And in fact was done until that other guy decided to pipe up and start slinging mud my way. AND pointed out that I had just bought something from both Markus and Urs!

That being said, there are a lot of things that the "about" section of this website says won't be tolerated and I see very few suspensions or outright bans over that stuff. Don't envy the mods but if your'e going to ban people at least do it for a valid reason and be consistent with ALL of what constitutes "bad behavior" here.

[Hink]

"Did you also know that their installers come with hunter-killer side program that searches all through your Program Files, System32, WOW64 and so on, looking for ripped off copies of their products, and when it finds one it dials home and meanwhile kills the synth, etc., it deems unlicensed?"
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=443447

Well, if you'd like to be ruthless then I've plenty of ruthlessness in reserve. Just give me a call if you do want some more

imagine pirating a dev's products and then complaining to the dev about your cracks no longer working. this post is amazing on so many levels

imagine if we listened to the mod and stopped talking about piracy...get on topic or dont post...please note a suspension was already handed out, because my request keeps getting ignored...ftr I will permaban before I lock Markus' thread, his apology thread is not the place for all the piracy crap.

_______________________________________________________________________________

With respect, the whole issue at hand, and the basis of this thread and apology, stem from a foundation of issues of piracy and the means developers use to protect themselves against it.

It's absolutely on-topic for it to be discussed.

Furthermore, if nobody is condoning piracy or advising that it be a legitimate alternative route (as has happened on various occasions), to obtaining products from developers who are perhaps being accused of acting shady, then why are we not allowed to discuss it? Are we supposed to deny the existence of piracy, when it is such an important, albeit unfortunate, part of this industry? How are we to find solutions? And how are we all supposed to help encourage members, who will inevitably end up finding 'us' through various nefarious sites, to understand that this is, in most cases, an industry full of small developers who need people to become legitimate customers, to continue to survive.

Again, to clarify: Nobody is suggesting that pro-piracy talk should be tolerated. I just don't think that this blanket ban on even acknowledging it's existence is helping anyone

well what I deleted was about justifications and that's why I asked fore talk to stop and for damn good reason...you see I have conducted a number of experiments in the past when I got shit for this. What I did was googled for the product name and whatever keyword was in the thread, came back every time, the top results came back to KvR.

You are 100% right that this should not be used as a blanket and you're even more wrong on the fact I do. This thread was going into dangerous territory with certain people absolutely getting into the pros and cons of piracy and that cannot happen. If we get that and I am here being the asshole I am, new people see right away this is not a crack site.

We have a lot of topics about copy protection, that's fine and we will continue to have such threads. In those threads if people come in looking for cracks the quickly see the conversation is not about that and is just about copy protection and hopefully move on.

This thread isnt coming up in search engines yet, I damn well intend on keeping it that way and protecting the integrity of KvR for all. I do see your point, but when anyone in any thread I see starts debating pros and cons I step in. BTW I was first drawn to this by a report that this thread was suggesting piracy.

This is competely wrong. The guy who got a temporary suspension, me, was absolutely NOT getting into the pros and cons. And in fact was done until that other guy decided to pipe up and start slinging mud my way. AND pointed out that I had just bought something from both Markus and Urs!

That being said, there are a lot of things that the "about" section of this website says won't be tolerated and I see very few suspensions or outright bans over that stuff. Don't envy the mods but if your'e going to ban people at least do it for a valid reason and be consistent with ALL of what constitutes "bad behavior" here.

but that was after I asked for the conversation to end and I said there would no warnings given...you got a one day suspension

Unlocked, two mods asked for the piracy talk to end...it has

[AnX]

Ok agreed. I will edit it.

too late, its already out there, again.... but let's look at the edit

Q: Do you sue people who use pirated copies?
A: We do not monitor the file-sharing in the torrent networks. We never sent out written-warnings by lawyers. We never sued anyone.

again, the implication is there, instead of a very simple no. Seems you can't help yourself.

[claudedefaren]

Yeah wtf lol.

Imagine if you asked a potential romantic partner if they've ever been unfaithful, and their answer was "I've never watched pornography! I've never snooped on my previous partners' phones! I've never been unfaithful!"

You'd be like, whoa, what? Ok... something's off here.

[vurt]

its the political way...

dont vote for them theyre evil...

yeah, but what are your policies on unicorns?

the other party use unicorn horns as back scrarchers!

[Forgotten]

Markus - just keep the answers simple. I think everyone just wants to hear a confident "no". Details of methods to address piracy don't really matter if you don't ever sue.

[robotmonkey]

Ok agreed. I will edit it.

too late, its already out there, again.... but let's look at the edit

Q: Do you sue people who use pirated copies?
A: We do not monitor the file-sharing in the torrent networks. We never sent out written-warnings by lawyers. We never sued anyone.

again, the implication is there, instead of a very simple no. Seems you can't help yourself.

If this is indeed true, then it is very appropriate to point it out. Some of the douchebaggery that is happening in this filed is pretty bad. Don't think there's many cases regarding this when it comes to audio software though. reFX is the only one that comes to mind.

[claudedefaren]

Ok agreed. I will edit it.

too late, its already out there, again.... but let's look at the edit

Q: Do you sue people who use pirated copies?
A: We do not monitor the file-sharing in the torrent networks. We never sent out written-warnings by lawyers. We never sued anyone.

again, the implication is there, instead of a very simple no. Seems you can't help yourself.

If this is indeed true, then it is very appropriate to point it out. Some of the douchebaggery that is happening in this filed is pretty bad. Don't think there's many cases regarding this when it comes to audio software though. reFX is the only one that comes to mind.

There is definitely some douchey practices by other companies out there.

But they are absolutely not relevant in this thread.

This thread isn't about Markus vs other companies.

This thread is about New Markus vs Old Markus.