[Fixed in 4.4] Weird bug: latest "Spectral Suite" update not included in upgrade plan

[BazJacuzzi]

I just found out my girlfriend cheated on me. I still love her, but it'll never be the same.

[musikarldererste]

but its true they will annouced it later today
but im already out so i dont care

but its sad to see , the upgrade plan was pricy enough and now this hahaha
what they smoking ?

[wltchris101]

fl studio has a good modulation feature
i use it right now its called patcher or so

i have no experience with this daw but i like it so far

I've never bothered to checkout FL - maybe I'll see what it has to offer.

[PieBerger]

In contrast to pretty much every other post here:

If these tools were offered by any other developer at this price it would be an absolute no-brainer.

ZPlane Peel is $50 and that's just splitting out one frequency band with a stereo field control. But I've used it to help isolate unwanted noises and clean them up, and occasionally for creative effects.

Eventide Physion is $180 (with $100 intro price) and that's just the transient splitter, where you're stuck with their built-in effects, and it uses iLok.

Melda has a couple of tools that can do spectral level changes -- for instance, cutting out bands that are too quiet, or de-emphasizing the loudest ones to change the spectral balance. This is also one of the best tricks the Synthesis Technology E520 Eurorack module can do and that's an $800 module. But neither of them actually split into multiple processing bands you can apply other effects to.

And I don't think anyone else has anything like the harmonic split tool...

So this is an awesome set of effects, which I will immediately have practical uses for and it also offers a lot of creative potential. And the price is good. If it had been u-he or Arturia or Sugar Bytes or Cableguys or Voxengo or anyone else offering this, absolutely nobody would be calling them greedy and talking about boycotts.

...

Could Bitwig have included these in a 5.0 release (to encourage people to re-up their lapsed upgrade licenses)? Yeah, maybe!

But maybe these plugins require them to pay a license fee or royalties to a developer, and including it in the DAW price would have been a huge mess.

If other developers reneged on their licensing/upgrade policy in the same way, you can bet there would be similar backlash. These FX look pretty cool and 79e is a reasonable price for what they are, but it goes against Bitwig's long standing commitment to provide such features as part of the annual upgrade plan. Last time I checked I didn't have to pay an annual fee to keep my u-he plugs up to date, on top of upgrade fees for new versions.

[perpetual3]

I am definitely considering that move now. Simply because Bitwig becomes ultra expensive.

they will introduce another upgrade plan

so in the future you can choose between to upgrade price -plans
the bigger ones = will have all addons included
the little ones = just daw workstation features but without future addons

If Ableton is clever then they announce a reasonably priced crossgrade plan for Bitwig users. Should Bitwig really introduce this upgrade model then I'm happy to switch to Ableton Suite where I can use Max4Live instead of the still pretty limited Grid (even though Grid is more nicely integrated). Sad to see Bitwig going into this direction.

[PieBerger]

HQ will need to pull up their big boy pants and put out a solid statement to calm things down for sure!

[shaboogen]

In contrast to pretty much every other post here:

If these tools were offered by any other developer at this price it would be an absolute no-brainer.

ZPlane Peel is $50 and that's just splitting out one frequency band with a stereo field control. But I've used it to help isolate unwanted noises and clean them up, and occasionally for creative effects.

Eventide Physion is $180 (with $100 intro price) and that's just the transient splitter, where you're stuck with their built-in effects, and it uses iLok.

Melda has a couple of tools that can do spectral level changes -- for instance, cutting out bands that are too quiet, or de-emphasizing the loudest ones to change the spectral balance. This is also one of the best tricks the Synthesis Technology E520 Eurorack module can do and that's an $800 module. But neither of them actually split into multiple processing bands you can apply other effects to.

And I don't think anyone else has anything like the harmonic split tool...

So this is an awesome set of effects, which I will immediately have practical uses for and it also offers a lot of creative potential. And the price is good. If it had been u-he or Arturia or Sugar Bytes or Cableguys or Voxengo or anyone else offering this, absolutely nobody would be calling them greedy and talking about boycotts.

...

Could Bitwig have included these in a 5.0 release (to encourage people to re-up their lapsed upgrade licenses)? Yeah, maybe!

But maybe these plugins require them to pay a license fee or royalties to a developer, and including it in the DAW price would have been a huge mess.

I don't disagree with any of this, the add-ons look great and the price is pretty reasonable.

The problem here is sticker shock. Bitwig has created expectations of how their pricing model works and this move potentially invalidates them. Everyone was expecting an announcement of a new version of Bitwig and without warning we get a paid add-on outside of the original arrangement. Predictably, that angers people. Bitwig should have expected this type of reaction and acted to avoid it, but comms has never been their strong suit.

Do I think that this is a storm in a teacup that is going to go away at some point? Probably, but the animus that this is creating doesn't help them in the slightest and will absolutely hurt them in the short term.

Speaking of: https://www.bitwig.com/support/shop_lic ... e-plan-54/

This is too little, too late.

[slackhead]

they will introduce another upgrade plan

so in the future you can choose between to upgrade price -plans
the bigger ones = will have all addons included
the little ones = just daw workstation features but without future addons

So in future it's Litwig or Bitwig


How nice!

[billcarroll]

Why Everybody is Mad at Bitwig (Backlash is Bitwig's fault)



This move to charge customers who are already on a subscription for updates has zero integrity.

[musikarldererste]

trust me these germans (iam german too)
dont have empathy when more money is in the room

its sad to see its like adobe but even more against us

[xbitz]

fl studio has a good modulation feature
i use it right now its called patcher or so

i have no experience with this daw but i like it so far

closest is Phase Plant / Snap Heap / Multipass

this is what Dash Glitch has used before Bitwig

[musikarldererste]

on instagramm the laughed at us
the call it extra special =

what is extra special , where i know that be a extra special addon to be relased ?

[jsp1979]

so i be honest
i cant longer afford this as a student i will search for another daw
any sugesstions ?=

fl studio dont like that much , but have a good pricepoint and i like their marketing strategy

when they dont act quick ,
many users will switch like me
i bought fl studio in this moment and will sale my license for bitwig

I don't know. Maybe take 5 minutes to see how things shake out before immediately buying another DAW that you don't like that much.

[musikarldererste]

so i be honest
i cant longer afford this as a student i will search for another daw
any sugesstions ?=

fl studio dont like that much , but have a good pricepoint and i like their marketing strategy

when they dont act quick ,
many users will switch like me
i bought fl studio in this moment and will sale my license for bitwig

I don't know. Maybe take 5 minutes to see how things shake out before immediately buying another DAW that you don't like that much.

i sale my license to my friend , i was unsure if i cant afford it in the future
and from this moeny i bought fl studio and i will get all future updates for free
so this is a investment and not a cash cow

so its okay for me if you see it at this point
but who cares ? im out
i have money today but with this energy prices i dont longer have money to
spend for an hobby , not all from us generates money of music

[ozinga]

https://www.bitwig.com/support/shop_lic ... e-plan-54/