Zebra 3 and Zebra Legacy

[PieBerger]

This is clearly the comment of a moron who can't see that this discussion is clearly relevant due to the fact that it has been discussed so many times! But trolls will always exist!

You are in no position to be calling anyone a moron quite frankly.

[PieBerger]

You clearly need to spend more time here, firstly so that you can keep up with plugin development progress and secondly, so that you can experience what real trolling is here on KVR

[vurt]

Zebra 3 is a totally *different* plugin, Zebra 2 sounds won't be loadable in it. It's been discussed many times already - unless something has changed in the meantime...

- Mario

Then why is it called zebra3? Look at every piece of software and you'll see major upgrades being compatible with previous versions. There are always occasions when this doesn't happen, but nearly always it backwards compatible.

If it's a completely different plugin, it should be named differently so as to avoid confusion.

I find it strange that a company's flagship product is being abandoned, in favour of an upgrade that can't load older presets. I get the move but naming it after the older product is going to cause major confusion to u-he newcomers like myself.

Is Dune 3 totally compatible with previous versions?
Same for Synthmaster?
Are all plugins with different versions in your knowledge always fully backward compatible?

Just asking, please mind that this topic has been discussed a lot already...

Ok, it seems VST's are a law unto themselves! Fact is, if a software isn't backwards compatible, it should be named differently, why?

naming it after the older product is going to cause major confusion to u-he newcomers like myself.

The fact that you have stated that this has been discussed many times already proves I'm right!!

People get hung up on the weirdest things...

This is clearly the comment of a moron who can't see that this topic is clearly relevant due to the fact that it has been discussed so many times! But trolls will always exist!

it's a completely different synth in the sense, all the coded parts, oscillator/filter and other components are new code, not reworked old code.
it's the continuation of zebra, as it will still be a modular environment, so in that sense not a completely different synth.

the older presets even if they could be opened, would not sound anything like the original sounds. so they would all need reworking to sound right, otherwise can you imagine the complainants when people open old projects and expect z3 to pick up where 2 was used before.

[Fannon]

Not sure I understand why this became such a heated topic, I hope I wasn't triggering something to much.

Being a Software Developer myself, this is how my species usually understands backward compatibility:

Versions usually have two or three components: e.g. v1.2.3. The first number is called the major version and this is what Zebra 2 (currently at 2.9.3) or Zebra 3 in the title means. Many developers follow the https://semver.org/ conventions, where introducing a new major version actually means that something is not backward compatible. Going with a major version increment gives developers freedom to break things, which you need to sometimes to to either innovate or to get rid of unwanted legacy. But usually there's still continuity, with the expectation that you can somehow migrate from one version to the other. If you create an entirely new product that cuts ties with everything before, it's more common to give it a different name. Massive also did this by calling it "Massive X", allthough thats barely noticable

Anyway, I would not have any clear expectations and it's fair to leave it to u-he to decide which way and interpretation they go. If there were some Zebra 2 -> Zebra 3 migration path, that would be awesome, even if it were a bit lossy and involves some manual rework and differences in sonic outcomes.

[vurt]

Not sure I understand why this became such a heated topic, I hope I wasn't triggering something to much.

you must be quite new here, at kvr, anything can become a heated topic.
we're nice people on the whole most of the time, but sometimes, even a cat pic can spark a 6 page war between a couple of us.
but we move on, it's the internet, not like anyone can slap me for being an idiot

[vurt]

even if they do threaten to drive to my house (that happened, i laughed)

[sl23]

Thanks for the explanation Fannon. Not your fault, I just have zero tolerance for passive aggressive behaviour, I've had way too much experience with it!

I've been on KVR for years following only MuLab, but have decided to forego my hardware roots and buy some soft synths, u-he looking some of the best. I did read the original post on zebra3 but it's either not always clear, relevant to me at the time or I simply missed something. My apologies for repeating questions already asked, but it remains that this info should really be clearly written down, best place would be their website. Having links from the zebra legacy page to all relevant z3 info would stop a lot of repeated questions.

Trouble is most topics on z3 here are many pages long and search results aren't great, so repeating a questions is often better for new users to find out something.

[PieBerger]

Not your fault, I just have zero tolerance for passive aggressive behaviour

A perfectly good reason for direct ad hominem attacks, naturally. I actually have a zero tolerance policy for people who don't do the reading, sorry I didn't make that clear enough earlier, which is why I am fully justified to make offhand comments about hang ups over trivial things

[DoktorTenma]

I did read the original post on zebra3 but it's either not always clear, relevant to me at the time or I simply missed something. My apologies for repeating questions already asked, but it remains that this info should really be clearly written down, best place would be their website. Having links from the zebra legacy page to all relevant z3 info would stop a lot of repeated questions.

Luckily u-he has done this as the third paragraph on the Zebra Legacy page has this information. They have even highlighted that section to draw peoples eyes to it.

That section wasn't there initially. But they have obviously listened to people and added this information.

[sl23]

Thanks

[jtsterays]

Im not trying to be rude here, just curious , but whats so special about the new z3 spline editor that takes so long to make and still not finished?

[Urs]

Im not trying to be rude here, just curious , but whats so special about the new z3 spline editor that takes so long to make and still not finished?

I have only spent a total of about ten to twelve months on it over the years, unfortunately running u-he also requires me to do other things. I think maybe in another two or three months it might be ready, but those months need to be found.

[tony10000]

Maybe they should call it "Zebra - The Next Generation". LOL!

[limitlesssss]

I don't understand why there are no loyalty upgrade options from Zebra Legacy Edition to Zebra 3. That's just going to cause a lot of anger. Surely the upgrade should be the price difference from Zebra 2 + €30.

the people buying legacy aren't "loyal" long term customers, but they are getting all the sound sets inc hz/dark zebra that's their big discount.

The current policy will only rile up new customers. The lack of any sort of upgrade path is a big huge mistake. Wait and see it will be a storm when the noobies discover their Legacy editions cannot be upgraded to Zebra 3. New customers want to be treated just the same as long term customers. They do not want to be treated any differently because they are new.

The solution is for u-he to do the following:

When people are going to purchase Zebra Legacy, a pop-up window should appear that basically says:

"You're purchasing a $99 bundle that was previously priced $500. This generous $400 discount, means that when the next version of Zebra (Zebra 3) comes out, there will NOT be an upgrade path for your Zebra Legacy purchase. You will have to pay full price for Zebra 3. At this moment you have three choices:

• Purchase Zebra Legacy now at $99 (enjoying a $400 discount) without purchasing Zebra 3
• Purchase Zebra Legacy now at $99 (enjoying a $400 discount) and purchase Zebra 3 at full price
• Wait for Zebra 3 to come out and purchase it at full price"

This pop-up window should not go away for 30 seconds (a 30-second countdown) to make sure that the person actually reads it, and they have to click on AGREE in the end.

[Fleer]

One tiny remark here: people who bought Zebra (and DZ) in last year’s NI bundle at similar low pricing DO get Zebra Legacy AND the upcoming Zebra 3 for free. So much for long time customer perks