Arturia releases LEXICON LX-24

[T-CM11]

So they put the AKG 240 Studio on the GUI, but then the AKG 240 MKII in their videos. Is this a secret message? Should ALL of us be worried?

About you? It might be stress related, you might want to visit a medical professional.

[standalone]

It's worse that I thought, you are all in it!

[musicproducerdee]

corner, probably June, so could wait for that and there is usually an intro offer from Arturia. Otherwise,

For $129, it is a no-brainer deal for some great effects. However, FX Collection 4 is around the corner, probably June, so could wait for that and there is usually an intro offer from Arturia. Otherwise, you can buy FX Collection 3 now and upgrade later for $69 or so (guesstimated).

The load times are fine for me. Having the Arturia "resources" folder on an SSD definitely helps, even for FX Collection installation. CPU usage may be a concern for some plugins.

The most important addition to FX Collection 4 will be Dist COLDFIRE (one of their best FX plugins to date), unless you don't like such plugins, which I don't think would be the case.

So I did decide to buy the FX Collection 3, but then decoded to hold off for 4 more days. I hope the deal is still valid till then.
NAMM is in 4-5 days and I'm pretty sure some new stuff is gonna be announced that might interest me, so I'll wait to see if someone else can make me open my wallet

[jens]

pretty unlikely that you'll get more VFM though...

[Niowiad]

It's worse that I thought, you are all in it!

[musicproducerdee]

pretty unlikely that you'll get more VFM though...

Yup, I'm pretty sure about that as well, but the prospect of a new shiny thing excites me, so might be worth the wait

In the meantime, I might install the FX Collection plugins and use them in demo mode

[jamcat]

So I did decide to buy the FX Collection 3, but then decided to hold off for 4 more days. I hope the deal is still valid till then.

The LX-24 + FX Collection 3 Introductory offer is until the 23rd.

https://www.arturia.com/products/softwa ... 4/overview

[musicproducerdee]

So I did decide to buy the FX Collection 3, but then decided to hold off for 4 more days. I hope the deal is still valid till then.

The LX-24 + FX Collection 3 Introductory offer is until the 23rd.

https://www.arturia.com/products/softwa ... 4/overview

Thank You

[Liero]

Yeah I'm a bit miffed by the CPU usage. I mean the reverb isn't exactly "dense" like the UVI Plate. Then again, I never use UVI Plate at any other setting than "insane" and that one really does eat an insane amount of CPU at that setting.

Anyhow, if you have any kind of loyalty price for this or even at full introductory price, it's very hard to beat Arturias new offering. It's absolutely amazing in my opinion.

I usually agree with you a lot but can't get on board with it this time. In terms of getting sounds to blend in well, feels like I can get better, cleaner results even with sparkverb, never mind plate! There's a particularly nasty high freq 'swish' if you turn up diffusion to max and try something like a pure saw pluck. To me this is just another reverb where you have to turn all the highs down any way you can to make it sound bearable. IMO raum, sparkverb, even the new baby audio verbs have this beat.

[jens]

Yes, whatever I try, no matter how much I tweak it, the sounds I get out of it just sound weird somehow - It's basically nasty LoFi delay for the most part of it, I am inclined to say... if I compare it to Sonsig (which is based on/inspired by the 224 as well) there is a night and day difference, with the Sonsig completely mopping the floor with the Arturia in terms of versatility and tweakabilty, ease of useage (even the "Advanced" Arturia is just weird somehow imo) and sheer sound-quality.

I'm a big Arturia-fan, but their reverbs... I dunno - I really like Intensity, but I couldn't really get something useful out of the plate nor the spring either.

So yeah, no way Relab was involved in this one.

[Funkybot's Evil Twin]

Yes, whatever I try, no matter how much I tweak it, the sounds I get out of it just sound weird somehow - It's basically nasty LoFi delay for the most part of it, I am inclined to say... if I compare it to Sonsig (which is based on/inspired by the 224 as well) there is a night and day difference, with the Sonsig completely mopping the floor with the Arturia in terms of versatility and tweakabilty, ease of useage (even the "Advanced" Arturia is just weird somehow imo) and sheer sound-quality.

I'm a big Arturia-fan, but their reverbs... I dunno - I really like Intensity, but I couldn't really get something useful out of the plate nor the spring either.

So yeah, no way Relab was involved in this one.

Relab confirmed they weren't involved in LX-24 (I asked) but you should keep in mind that Sonsig is not even trying to be a 224 emulation. Yeah, it has a mode that models the 224 converter/output section (or the Quantec), but that's the only part of the 224 sound they're going for. Sonsig is very much its own wonderful thing. One of my absolute favorites.

I have the UAD version of the 224, and the Arturia is nice in that it can sound wider and more modern with the advanced options. I really don't like some Arturia's design choices around what they labeled parameters and how they work, but it can sound great in a very 80s way or get you that flavor in a way more modern sounding way, which I prefer honestly. That said, the CPU usage is insane. I had stuttering with 2 instances in a very slim project in Reaper. Not sure why to be honest, my CPU should've handled it, but it started choking. So I hope they address the CPU usage. The UADx version is much, much better in that regard. But I honestly prefer the sound of the Arturia (modern mode, add some width and brightness, make sure the Mode Enh is on and there's modulation happening...good stuff).

[jens]

you should keep in mind that Sonsig is not even trying to be a 224 emulation. Yeah, it has a mode that models the 224 converter/output section (or the Quantec), but that's the only part of the 224 sound they're going for.

No, afaik it's actually mostly kind of a modern take on a 224 plus some other stuff thrown in (Gyraf tilt eq, Solina ensemble fx in the wet path, etc. ).- Character 2 is 224 based too iIrc...

[jens]

224XL "Concert Hall" algo plus Quantec QRS for the smaller algos* was the main inspirations actually:

To answer some of your great questions, here’s the story behind the development.

The Sonsig Rev-A is a collaboration between Relab and audio engineers with great ears – they missed the Lexicon 224XL Concert hall algorithm with the characteristic modulated sound in plugin form, but they much preferred the Quantec QRS for smaller rooms.

The structure of Sonsig Rev-A is very close to the Lexicon 224XL Concert Hall structure combined with technologies from Quantec QRS, but they wanted more! The modulated sound should be even lusher, so as some of you already have figured out – we replaced the simple chorus functions of the Lexicon 224XL with a complete ensemble (3 voices per ensemble – Solina ensemble) functions. We also introduced 2 extra modulation methods to the structure which are enabled at various ensemble settings.

They also loved the Tilt function of Gyraf G23 and wanted that to be included instead of the normal filters – this is emulated with the same filter network of 11 highly tuned filters as the hardware.

A long story short – Sonsig Rev-A is not a direct 1:1 emulation of a specific hardware unit, but a hybrid of several different hardware units in an easy and versatile plugin. Normally, Relab products isn’t exactly known to be “easy”
The amount of different emulated modules in Sonsig Rev-A is insane – we should release them, as individually emulations

https://gearspace.com/board/product-ale ... erb-2.html

*Sizes 1-6, I assume, as between 6 and 7 there's the biggest character change by far, I think.

[bmanic]

Yeah I'm a bit miffed by the CPU usage. I mean the reverb isn't exactly "dense" like the UVI Plate. Then again, I never use UVI Plate at any other setting than "insane" and that one really does eat an insane amount of CPU at that setting.

Anyhow, if you have any kind of loyalty price for this or even at full introductory price, it's very hard to beat Arturias new offering. It's absolutely amazing in my opinion.

I usually agree with you a lot but can't get on board with it this time. In terms of getting sounds to blend in well, feels like I can get better, cleaner results even with sparkverb, never mind plate! There's a particularly nasty high freq 'swish' if you turn up diffusion to max and try something like a pure saw pluck. To me this is just another reverb where you have to turn all the highs down any way you can to make it sound bearable. IMO raum, sparkverb, even the new baby audio verbs have this beat.

I have both sparkverb and UVI plate. The way the wrap around the source is completely different.

This one is sort of weird in that it wraps around the source but still being separated from it. Hard to explain.

I agree though about the highs, this really needs to be used the way it was used old school style, lots of high frequencies cut and just giving any source a sort of "extra mud" but in a good way. It doesn't mess with the original signals low and low-mid frequencies as it's always separated, yet "enveloped".

Would this be my desert island reverb? Hell no. Can it be duplicated by other reverbs, no. At least I haven't been able to do it yet. Everything else I have either sounds _completely_ different or when it's sort of close, it messes with the frequency response of the original source (Valhalla, NI 24/48, Sparkverb when trying to do the same thing.. etc).

So yeah, I haven't found a plugin reverb among the ones I own that can do what this does. This makes it extremely valuable in my opinion. I do remember the Lexicon native reverbs (LXP and the expensive one) being able to do something similar but the tail on those is much denser and more diffused, which again is good for many sources but not always optimal.

[jens]

It's totally weird somehow.... after the predelay there's a filtered single repetition of the input signal. This is the loudest if distance is 0 and absent when distance is 71 (maximum value) but in that case even with high diffusion value's then this (i.e. maximum distance) tends to sound more like a short delay (with high feedback) than a reverb (i.e.sparse and very little diffusion) - this depends somewhat on the algorithm but it never fully goes away.

So you always have that sort of delayish character, no matter what you do.

Does a real 224 do that?