Vital - Released

[Masterofdisaster]

Is it true that Vital is abandonware? How did you guys come up with that conclusion? Thank you

Maybe they heard something that’s not there….

Oh that's so funny...
This is what I'm talking about. Instead of saying ok, you hear something I don't, I accept that - you people gaslight and makes fun. It really makes me not want to log back in cause its starting to feel like you're just an echo chamber here and you do not accept difference of opinion.

It's making me a bit sad tbh. And you've got 4 up votes so it's clear this is a thing over here... Well you can have your gaslighting. You can have your echo chamber. It's clear I won't ever be validated as hearing something you guys don't.

[Masterofdisaster]

I just have an opinion that I would like to be validated.

Good Lord! I thought it was a fact

Sigh..after all our back and forth, and me telling you the audio example is already here, three or four times - that's your reply? Again making jokes? I think this is futile and I'm just wasting my time and energy with this.

[Monsieur_FyP]

I just have an OPINION that I would like to be validated.

!!!! Even worse !
And what good will it do you if your « opinion » (sic) is "validated" ? And validated by us deaf people !
Do you need reassurance that badly ? Or are you just desperate to be placed on a pinnacle ? Do you want what we call in French « la médaille en chocolat » ?

[liquidsound]

I think this is futile and I'm just wasting my time and energy with this.

Of course….

[Teksonik]

Are you still going on about a synth that you don't like? What an utterly pointless waste of time.

just admit you cant hear what im referring to. Simple. I can. And other people can too, im not alone in that.

Yep there it is "oooooh I have golden ears and you don't".

Or you could admit that your ears are faulty and that's why you think you (and anyone else) hear something at near dog whistle frequency range that's not actually there. You claim golden ears but I allege you just have tin ears so where does that leave us? Locked in perpetual conflict over some silly pointless subject?

If you can't post an audio example that proves your point then you are accomplishing nothing. No I don't care about LFO 8's test. I want to hear you prove your allegation.

If you can't prove your point then put up or shut up or better yet...let it go

Look we get it, you think you hear something in Vital you don't like. Fine then move on and let people who do like Vital use it without having to put up with your nonsense.

You're wasting our time and more importantly you're wasting your own time.
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On the subject of what bugs are still present and proof that the developer has ghosted his company forum simply go to the Vital forums.

https://forum.vital.audio/latest

Here's just one post about bugs that are still in version 1.5.5:

Vital is crashing Reaper as soon as I attempt to open the GUI. Works fine with playback if the plugin is never opened. I found this to be the case with VSTi, VST3, and CLAPi versions. Running Windows 10.

I just checked and it doesn't look like Matt has posted on his own company forum in months and the latest version in my account is still 1.5.5 so we are left to conclude the developer has abandoned the project at least for now. Provide evidence to the contrary and the general opinion will change.

I had to start a thread at the Vital forums "Matt are you OK?" because I feared that his ghosting of his forums and Discord might mean he was ill. He finally answered "I'm OK" and to the best of my knowledge that was his last post four months ago.

Spare a thought for those who signed up for the subscription plan because I don't know if they're getting what they were promised or not. I'm not alleging fraud on Matt's part but the evidence at hand points to a developer who is not performing as his paying customers would want or expect.

Once you accept money for a product then users become customers and then you owe them some support. I don't dislike Matt as a person but as a plugin developer his performance is totally unacceptable in my opinion.

At any rate further discussions should take place at the Vital forums because they are pointless here.

So now I'm going to make music and I may even call up Vital for a play. I may not have golden ears but I can tell a great sounding synth when I hear one.

[pdxindy]

Ah yes, misunderstanding of a beginner... im inexperienced... This is all ad hominem.

It's not an attack on you. Nobody knows what sort of experience you have. The only indication you had given was that you are not able to create the same sound in two different synths... which almost by definition means you are inexperienced with synths cause that is an easy thing to do.

Anyway, you keep finding reasons to not provide a simple audio example, and are avoiding any discussion of what you hear, the situation you hear it in, description, any presets and so on. Instead you constantly turn it into a discussion of what a victim you are.

At this point, I've concluded that you are not actually interested in the subject and are just trolling... so onto ignore you go.

[egbert101]

I just installed Vital on my system running Reaper, and it works fine, although I'm on Windows 11. But yeah, of course if people pay for updates and don't get things fixed, I understand how that could create resentment. However, such are things in life, many developers have gone the same way, and some even trust them again when they come back. Looks like the business model was tried and it seem to fail, and I guess we all just move on and invest with better developers/gear.

[LFO8]

no, thats not true. AGAIN let me reference LFO8s test he did a few months ago. Two nearly identical sounds, for all intents and purposes they ARE identical, yet one has a nasty hi freq tone, as i call it, one does not. Simple. I hear it. You obviously dont. But dont go around thinking it has anything to do with synthesis, cause it doesnt. Its the sound itself. I find it mind boggling this is so hard for you guys to understand. If you dont agree with me - thats fine. But dont say all this crazy stuff that Ive never claimed, as if thats what I said.
Thats foul.

Hi again... just to check and be sure.. So the test you are referring to here is the one between Serum and Vital, the one I did months back? The test where I already told everyone a few posts later exactly which one is which? This one: THAT is the test in which you (now months later after being disclosed) can clearly point out which one is Vital?

[emef]

imagination for you, clear audible difference for me. why is it so hard to accept?

Because you avoid posting an audio demo of Vital with the alleged high end nastiness. If it is as clear and obvious as you say, then it must be easy to demonstrate. You haven't even stated any sort of description of what you hear, when you hear it, an issue with a certain preset, steps to reproduce, etc.

Then you said that you are unable to match the sound of two synths, which is pretty easy. This leads me to think you are inexperienced. So your claim might just be user error or lack of understanding on your part.

Anyway, you are free of course to think what you like. But you haven't given anything to indicate that your assertion is anything other than imaginary or the misunderstanding of a beginner. You make a bold claim and offer zero evidence to back it up... of course most people aren't going to accept it.

as ive said 1000 times now, LFO8 already posted that example. its literally right there for you to listen to. Its synth B. Thats vital. That has that sound im talking about. Why wont you get this through your head? Why are you asking me to post something that is already posted?
Ah yes, misunderstanding of a beginner... im inexperienced... This is all ad hominem. Doesnt mean sht.
And fyi, Im a mastering engineer. Ive used cubase for music production since 2003. Before that Ive used reason and before that ive used Rebirth.

Back it up how? Its literally already backed up, and even 2 people had it right when that test was about, some months ago.
So what is it youre asking? Its already provided for you.

can you quote repost the LFO8 example?
there's 220 pages of comments that i'm not gonna wade through
would be interesting to hear the LFO8 example

[vurt]

it's the video right above your post.

[elassi]

... ive said this like three times now so i wont continue on this any further from this point.

What happened to your promise?

[emef]

it's the video right above your post.

aye cheers, saw it after i posted my reply

[FrogsInPants]

You tried Vital out, didn't like the sounds you were getting, and concluded that it has a bad sound.

no, thats not true. AGAIN let me reference LFO8s test he did a few months ago. Two nearly identical sounds, for all intents and purposes they ARE identical, yet one has a nasty hi freq tone, as i call it, one does not. Simple. I hear it. You obviously dont. But dont go around thinking it has anything to do with synthesis, cause it doesnt. Its the sound itself. I find it mind boggling this is so hard for you guys to understand. If you dont agree with me - thats fine. But dont say all this crazy stuff that Ive never claimed, as if thats what I said.
Thats foul.

Hey, if you want to ignore everything else and seize on one thing I said that you think is unfair, and call it foul for me to say it, go right ahead. Seems a little hostile, though.

Did you try Vital? Did you dislike the sounds you got? Did you conclude that it has a bad sound? Did you do all these things before you ever posted here about it? If you've been posting in good faith, the answers are "yes". I did not mean to suggest that there are no other factors reinforcing your conclusion. So, I think my statement you quoted above is completely fair.

I also didn't mean to suggest that you're imagining the difference you say you hear in LFO8's test. I certainly think it's possible you're fooling yourself, because people demonstrably do that quite frequently. But I'm perfectly happy to accept that you very likely can hear details that I cannot. I'm not a professional mix engineer. I'm a 50 year old casual with little to no ear training. What I hear when I listen to that particular test is that #2 sounds very slightly louder and fuller, and I conclude it's probably just a slight volume mismatch. Or my ears may be deceiving me. I'm not a big fan of such short AB tests, because you can't get any kind of statistically significant result except at the population level if you have enough participants. Even if you have a statistically significant population level result, any individual who got it right is likely to think they got it right through good perception, whether that's actually true or they had a lucky guess. So I don't think this is really telling us much.

Neither did I say that what you're hearing is the noisy high end I don't like is the nasty tone you say you hear. My point was that your description is so minimal that based on your description alone, I cannot distinguish it from that noisy high end. And still, you seem more interested in complaining about being mistreated than in explaining what it is you hear in a way that could help anyone understand the nature of it, or what might be causing it. I understand perfectly well that you're saying you hear some kind of nasty high frequency tone. I just don't know what you're describing because you haven't described it well enough. Some other posters seem to have the same problem. Either it's in your head, or it has something to do with some aspect of the synthesis. Can you give any other details at all?

For instance, when asked to do a test between raw oscillators, you said it's hard to hear with a single saw wave and easier to hear with a supersaw, with a lot of motion and phasing, where much of the synth's color comes from. Is it hard but possible to hear with a single saw, or is it something that is only audible with the unison?

Did I address whatever you meant by "all this crazy stuff that Ive never claimed"? I don't know what you're talking about there, because you weren't specific enough.

[BBFG#]

Remember that most females and younger males have a higher hearing range. (Generally dropping off at 30yo and above). I haven't really checked this out and since I'm above that 30y mark I'm not going to venture an opinion of whether it really is or isn't.
But it may be something to consider.

[egbert101]

Check your hearing! WARNING LOUD!



I am actually hitting 15khz, not bad for an old man.