Reaper 7 released

[enroe]

Wait, does this mean Kenny needs to remake all his videos?

#KennyMania

No!

You can still stick to your old workflows.

The new features - like "fx-container" and "fixed-lane-comping" - are just
a very new alternative field. You can use these - or just ignore these.

[enroe]

For those who want an efficient overview, the table of contents of the
manual "what's new in 7.0" is much more suitable:

changes 7.000 oct 2023 02.gif

[jens]

It is particularly suitable for editing live drums, guitar solos or vocals.

Then it's for sure nothing to attract the average KVR-crowd.

We are all lonesome single artists who never recorded live stuff or something else that's really handmade ...

Haha, yes well said!

nah... just some of you.

[jens]

Heeey by the way, for the people who use Reaper here, and are exploring the new v7, I'll just link a handful of interesting stuff here to elevate that vibe (I think some of this has been mentioned already, but still!)

https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=283054
https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?p=2506514
https://github.com/JoepVanlier/JSFX (scroll down, there's a load of wild stuff in this collection)
https://forum.cockos.com/showthread.php?t=278176

thanks for these... I£ll have to check them out - I'm (as per usual) still puzzled how it's all really supposed to work... in typical Reaper fashion it seems a bit half-baked, weird and convoluted to me. At V7 it still seems to be in eternal beta mode to me.

(.e.g. what on earth is that new empty space below the clips for and how the f**k can I get rid of it? It totally messes up my screen estate)

[Guenon]

I'm (as per usual) still puzzled how it's all really supposed to work... in typical Reaper fashion it seems a bit half-baked, weird and convoluted to me.

Can you find some insight into what makes you stay with a working environment that makes you feel this way, and has made you feel that way for a long time? As in, if it doesn't click with you, and it doesn't feel inspiring and powerful to use? (Ah, somehow semi-related, how do you feel about something like VCV-styled modulars and their libraries, or Reaktor, or hmm, even Pure Data / Max/MSP / Max4Live?)

(From my perspective, having used for example the above mentioned atmospheric reverbs/shimmers/etc. by Joep Vanlier (Saike), in a work context, I certainly don't think they're "half-baked" and instead a great gift to the audio/music community at large )

[jens]

I'm (as per usual) still puzzled how it's all really supposed to work... in typical Reaper fashion it seems a bit half-baked, weird and convoluted to me.

Can you find some insight into what makes you stay with a working environment that makes you feel this way, and has made you feel that way for a long time? As in, if it doesn't click with you, and it doesn't feel inspiring and powerful to use?

Well, I never said it didn't. All DAWs have their own (to me incomprehensible) flaws one has to put up with. Reason is about the exact opposite to Reaper and I love it for that... due to that. (pun intentionally avoided ) - Reaper is the exact opposite to Reason and I love it. I also hate both with a passion. I mean: I can work semi-fluidly in both (and in other DAWs I own), but... both could be a lot more sensibly constructed imo.

(Ah, somehow semi-related, how do you feel about something like VCV-styled modulars and their libraries, or Reaktor, or hmm, even Pure Data / Max/MSP / Max4Live?)

I have absolutely no idea - I neither have any interest in nor much of a clue about these. I'm a bit of a different kind of musician. I like to get stuff done i.e. I care a lot more about the result than the process. I use tools to achieve these results as quickly and painlessly as possible.

(Kind of related: I owned both a Z1 and a K5000S for a couple of years and I absolutely loved them, but then I ended up selling them because I never used them - something I still deeply regret and at the same time am quite relieved to have done so.)

[jens]

so...

what's that weird empty space below the clips?

[Guenon]

I'm (as per usual) still puzzled how it's all really supposed to work... in typical Reaper fashion it seems a bit half-baked, weird and convoluted to me.

Can you find some insight into what makes you stay with a working environment that makes you feel this way, and has made you feel that way for a long time? As in, if it doesn't click with you, and it doesn't feel inspiring and powerful to use?

Well, I never said it didn't. All DAWs have their own (to me incomprehensible) flaws one has to put up with.

Heh okay, I just assumed - as "half-baked, weird and convoluted" feels like it's somewhere in the other end from "inspiring and powerful." These differences between DAWs I can relate to, and feel like I couldn't use just one DAW for everything, no matter which one it was, yeah.

I neither have any interest in nor much of a clue about these. I'm a bit of a different kind of musician. I like to get stuff done i.e. I care a lot more about the result than the process. I use tools to achieve these results as quickly and painlessly as possible.

Yeah hey we're quite a lot on the same page here, really. My main motivation for using something like VCV (or the more esoteric Reaper extensions/scripts, for that matter) is getting usable results from them that wouldn't arise as easily from something else. This goes both for "more mundane" workflow related things, or wilder experimental stuff as well. There's an aspect of emergence in that as well, as in, experimenting with a construct in VCV and having it do audible things that would have been very improbable to steer towards in any other way.

[jens]

Fair enough and I think I know where you're coming from... but personally I don't have neither the time nor the patience for these kind of experiments (if you allow me calling it that) anymore (what with being a family man and all that), however rewarding they might end up being. If I use keys at all these days I'll most probably use my piano or Hohner Electra (or some cheap Casio I have lying around) and if I then want them to sound different I kind of know my way around an assortment of (simple enough) FX for that. Rick Wright is my absolute idol in that regard.

[Guenon]

so...

what's that weird empty space below the clips?

I hope someone knows, I don't know what you mean. Not seeing an empty space here . Maybe it's got something to do with the new default theme? Or you have fixed item lanes engaged on that track? (Dragging into the zone below the lane, if you have fixed lanes enabled, adds a lane).

[jens]

I'll post a screenshot - neither fixed lanes nor FIP makes any difference. It's really really weird. (During the beta phase I was absolutely sure they'd fix that for the official release - did I yet mention it's weird?)

[Guenon]

If I use keys at all these days I'll most probably use my piano or Hohner Electra (or some cheap Casio I have lying around) them to sound different I kind of know my way around an assortment of (simple enough) FX for that. Rick Wright is my absolute idol in that regard.

Yeah, that's cool, and we are approaching things from different angles yep, I think the defining thing for me is, having an electronic music / digital tools background, and having used all sorts of tools and environments in that space from childhood - and there's the sound design aspect in all of this, too (as in, sound design also in the sense of synthesizing/creating in-world sound effects and atmospheres and even GUI sounds and so forth), which lends itself to all sorts of crazy experimentation - even acoustically from time to time - which doesn't necessarily arise in music that much.

In turn, yes, invoking thoughts of Pink Floyd up there, I bet you are a much more skilled live musician and keyboardist than I am, with a much stronger background in the sound and tradition of that sphere

[Negoba]

Cockos continually updates Reaper and releases updates of various sizes on a near constant basis. Sometimes they include major features, often they are minor collections of features and bug fixes.

Now, I can remember some releases in the past that included larger cosmetic changes 3.x -> 4.x for example. But, for the most part, the major changes just feel like a wrap up of whatever has been in the works for a bit whenever they're close to a new major number.

With most vendors, I would wait until reports come out before even doing minor updates.

Thanks, that was really helpful context. Appreciate it.

[elassi]

what's that weird empty space below the clips?

Do you talk about this?

[jens]

If I use keys at all these days I'll most probably use my piano or Hohner Electra (or some cheap Casio I have lying around) them to sound different I kind of know my way around an assortment of (simple enough) FX for that. Rick Wright is my absolute idol in that regard.

Yeah, that's cool, and we are approaching things from different angles yep, I think the defining thing for me is, having an electronic music / digital tools background, and having used all sorts of tools and environments in that space from childhood - and there's the sound design aspect in all of this, too (as in, sound design also in the sense of synthesizing/creating in-world sound effects and atmospheres and even GUI sounds and so forth), which lends itself to all sorts of crazy experimentation - even acoustically from time to time - which doesn't necessarily arise in music that much.

I think I totally get where you are coming from and of course it's a really cool thing that there are so many different ways of approaching music-making (and so many vastly different results) and that we all still can use the same tools for it - and I think Reaper is especially style- and background-agnostic.

In turn, yes, invoking thoughts of Pink Floyd up there, I bet you are a much more skilled live musician and keyboardist than I am, with a much stronger background in the sound and tradition of that sphere

I wouldn't know about skills...